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Canadian Notes => Polymer Series => Topic started by: Cbeaulieu on November 20, 2014, 09:11:49 pm
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Hi,
Today I went to the bank to take the brick of 5$ I order all thursday,the cash teller told me she fogot to order extra 5$ to them and they take 4 bundles of my brick.It's O.K. I took the other 6 bundles but the other cash teller tell me she got somes circulated 5$ in her cash,I said how many you have ,she said one bundle(100) I take it.And what was asurprise I found Inside...5$ HBG Mac.-Car. in F condition.#3333207 and a radar in the unc budle HBY4846484.I know the HBG it's a rare notes but can I have some information about this notes.
Thank you.
Claude
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.I know the HBG it's a rare notes but can I have some information about this notes.
Thank you.
Claude
This is currently considered a rare note, one that many collectors are searching for. Range confirmed by bank of canada is 0000000-3619999. So far only a handfull of these notes have been reported and all within the 3M range. You have a nice find and you should hang onto that note. Personally i still think though this note is not as rare as it appears to be. I think that there are more out there and that people are hanging onto them. We will see as time goes on. But i have yet to find one myself and would love to have one as its the ONLY Macklem-Carney $5 note for that series in circulation.
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Nice find!
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But i have yet to find one myself and would love to have one as its the ONLY Macklem-Carney $5 note for that series in circulation.
Do you know of there are any for sale?
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Do you know of there are any for sale?
None. One showed up once on e-bay and sold for around $200 if i remember correctly. Give it time. I expect them to start showing up gradually on the market.
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There are now 27 M/C HBG notes in the SNDB.
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Hi,
I would like to know about the HBG Mc-Car why poeple looking for it?What kind of this note is?Only a change over signature?It's only in the futur we will know what's going on with?If someone would like to share information about it I'll apreciate it.And honestly what is the value for now??Some poeple told me keep it and wait,what do you think about that or maybe sell it???
Thank you take time to inform me.
Claude
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Hi Claude,
I think many of us have searched thousands of polymer $5.00 notes and have failed to find a M/C signature combo (between 3.2 to 3.400,000 note).
Mmars is the first to propose many good reasons why the M/C signature combo may be rare in another thread on the Polymer Signature change-over:
http://www.cdnpapermoney.com/forum/index.php?topic=13874.45
Hope this helps,
W2W
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Hi,
Thank you W2W for the link it help me.
Claude
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Hey Claude I found the "other" M-C HBG from Quebec, there are 28 in the SNDB of which TWO came from QC about a year apart. Now I'm inspired to order another brick...watch out tellers at RBC I'm gonna make you "work for nothing" again!
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here's my M-C HBG graded EF-45 at BCS:
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here's my M-C HBG graded EF-45 at BCS:
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This is a really nice note! Out of the 28 notes recorded in the SNDB it may easily have the highest grade. Now after a year of circulation M/C HBG fives in this condition are less and less likely to be found.
After 6 months of searching through LOTS of fives I am finally giving up. There appear to be no M/C HBG notes here in Toronto. I did buy a VF-EF note from another forum member back in the summer.
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I'm not so sure there are none left out there: if a few thousand were shipped and only 28 have been pulled (plus maybe a few found but not in the SNDB) I think the odds of finding one are the same now as they were a year ago. I have TWO bricks coming in next week, will post my findings!
Also I think 6 of the 28 were found in south western ON so the odds may be higher in your area.
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[quote author=AZ link=topic=14505.msg63622#msg63622 date=1417888965
After 6 months of searching through LOTS of fives I am finally giving up. There appear to be no M/C HBG notes here in Toronto. I did buy a VF-EF note from another forum member back in the summer.
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Don't give up...I found one from a bundle of fives I picked up from a Scotiabank in downtown Toronto in October. You never know when you'll find one...It's part of the thrill of hunting!
Dean
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I have posted 3 on there from the Cambridge area and just got one a about week or so ago. All have been very heavily circulated. Finding one in EF or better is even more of a challenge.
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Hi,
Just for a laugh, I went to the bank today to pick up a bundle of fives, knowing that business would be slow at the branches due to the snowstorm. Guess what I found...
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HBG 3198845 31 31
It's in pretty good shape except that the holographic stripe is pretty badly scarred.
If that weren't enough good news, there was one single paper five in the bundle and it turned out to be one of these:
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sorry...pushed the post button too soon...
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Guess Christmas arrived early for me this year :)
Dean
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Can I say it???
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OK I TOLD you so!!!!
Persistance pays off.
seriously that is INCREDIBLE for one bundle, you got the new low number plus a HAJ M-C, which is one of the less common of the M-C Journeys.
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went thru a brick today and found this :(
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and yes its a Macklem-Poloz
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Jackpot
Nice :)
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Hi,
I found one on e-bay for sale(HBG3413420).What are you think about the price he ask?Reasonable or to hight?
Claude
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I paid mine 475$ in almost the same condition, make an offer and you will see
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there are new sales on the famous web site and the asking price is increasing, the last one was 999$
for a Fine
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there are new sales on the famous web site and the asking price is increasing, the last one was 999$
for a Fine
Absolutely crazy! Is anyone really going to pay that much for this note?
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there are new sales on the famous web site and the asking price is increasing, the last one was 999$
for a Fine
The serial number for the note in question is:
HBG 3447169.
That's only a few notes away from the one I found HBG 3447043! :)
They could have been in the same bundle...If these notes could talk...
Dean
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Are the HBG M-C notes priced higher than the HAE M-C notes even though the SNDB has reported more HBG M-C notes?
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Are the HBG M-C notes priced higher than the HAE M-C notes even though the SNDB has reported more HBG M-C notes?
Question is tough to answer b/c there's been so few HAE M/C notes for sale "on the famous website."
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There's an M/C polymer fiver up on ebay right now.
HBG3456977
$425 US starting price. :o
item number 321641484136
Dean
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Thats about the right range at this time for these notes. I have sold 2 on there with impairments on both notes. One for $400USD and the other for $330USD
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The starting price is now US $600.
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THERE IS A LOT OF '' HBG Macklem Carney''FOR SALE NO VERY RARE ::)
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I will take two.
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THERE IS A LOT OF '' HBG Macklem Carney''FOR SALE NO VERY RARE ::)
You are not kidding. A search for completed eBay listings revealed quite a few.
I will take two.
In that case, you might want to wait a bit until the prices drop. ;D
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I found two notes signed Macklem-Carney with HBG prefix last night, practically Unc. They were given to me and my sister as change in a supermarket in our small town in Quebec. Their serial number is under the lowest seen so far, starting with one. If we got two on the same night with close serial numbers, that means a whole bundle must be circulating in our town. So I'm wondering, are we being very lucky here or are they becoming common now? Are they tarting to be coomon elsewhere in Canada now? Here are scans of them:
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And their backs:
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And their backs:
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Wow, these are much lower numbers than have thus far been seen. Very mysterious!
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And I asked the cashier to look in her register if she had more, but there were no more. Then we went to other stores and I asked my change in five's and we found no more. I'll see in the coming days if there are more around.
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What is the plate number? Someone should enter this into the database.
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A friend of minde said she saw one today HBG starting with a zero.
The plate numbers are:
HBG1542857 front 31 back 31
HBG1614010 front 46 back 46
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Will be interesting to see if any full bricks begin to surface...Still looking for one in unc :)
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[edit]This post has been removed as it was advertising an eBay auction. --BWJM[/b][/edit]
[edit] ditto + please do not bypass selling rules - Wizard1[/edit]
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A friend of minde said she saw one today HBG starting with a zero.
The plate numbers are:
HBG1542857 front 31 back 31
HBG1614010 front 46 back 46
Looks like these notes are become more common by the month. I guess the prices for these note will drop.
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Looks like these notes are become more common by the month. I guess the prices for these note will drop.
especially if the ones being found are all unc :)
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especially if the ones being found are all unc :)
Indeed two uncirculated notes like that, thats indication of full brick(s) circulated. It wouldn't surprise if HBG Macklem-Carney were to be circulated in full so that would mean more than 3,500,000 notes circulated. Certainly not good news for those that had paid >$300 for these notes and especially the one(s) who paid >$900 as seen on ebay.
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Indeed two uncirculated notes like that, thats indication of full brick(s) circulated. It wouldn't surprise if HBG Macklem-Carney were to be circulated in full so that would mean more than 3,500,000 notes circulated.
This is great news! However, I'm not sure I follow your logic. Two HBG notes have been discovered in a range lower than we had expected: Does that really mean we can jump to the conclusion there are "brick(s) circulated." If that member who posted those low number notes actually found more M/C HBG (at the subsequent places he checked out) than that would definitely lead to some suspicions. I understand that they are in great shape so that there may be more circulated than we previously expected- but brick(s)???
In an earlier post you stated:
Looks like these notes are become more common by the month.
Am I missing something? Right now there are 2 on that online auction site. A whopping 40 have been reported out of the nearly 2200 M/P HBG reported. There were 2 for auction when "Roberto" made his first startling claim ("MC HBG were common.")
Do you recall how long it was before the first M/C HBG was discovered? It seemed like it took forever for the next few to be reported and the reports slowly trickled in. However, every collector (& his family :D) have been busy scrutinizing fives. On the SNDB 5 prefixes have over 5000 notes reported and equally as many have over 4000 notes reported (indicating that never have we scrutinized our notes like the polymer!)
I mean this is the BOC we're talking about here. When have they ever followed logic or what we expected? ::) We don't have to look that far back: take the partial release of 2011 M/C $5 prefixes for example. 3,500,000 HBG seems astonishing - even 1000 (or a couple bundles) of M/C HBG sounds promising - but I'm not sure I'd crack open the champaign just yet.
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Indeed it is too early to say the outcome of these notes, but i just don't think they are rare notes. There is no logic in the way the bank of canada circulate notes. It is possible too that these notes could be similar to the famous 2003 $10 BEL and BER prefix where there were only released in scattered batches and still today the number of these notes that exist are slim.
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the unc is arriving, the prices is falling :D ::) :'(
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the unc is arriving, the prices is falling :D ::) :'(
Hopefully in my area too :)
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one for sale, one for retain O:-)
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The discussion would seem to be about the rarity of Macklem-Carney HBG notes, but I think more of you are concerned with the value of these notes. Rarity and value correlate loosely. The fact that many are turning up on eBay with some hefty prices is probably irksome and the cause of disagreement more than the actual number of notes that have been documented.
Anyhow, if we're really interested in rarity, here are some current numbers pulled from the SNDB...
$50 Macklem-Carney AMK: 5 recorded
$20 Macklem-Carney BSW: 7 recorded
$10 Macklem-Carney FTH: 8 recorded
$100 Macklem-Carney EKZ: 15 recorded
$5 Macklem-Carney HBG: 41 recorded + 2 reported but not submitted
$5 Macklem-Carney HAL: 61 recorded (but only 5 since September 2013)
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Today my friend and I went to different banks in our town and asked for 300$ of five's. No Macklem-Carney's. We also ask for our change in five's all the time. We also asked the bank tellers and some cashiers in stores to check if they had some in their register. None found. Seems like I've been very lucky to find two on the same day. Today someone on another forum that I take part in reported that he found one in another city in quebec far from mine, with a very close serial number to the two ones I have. Seems like that "brick" is spread into different cities.
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Rare no more, I guess... There is another Unc M/C $5 on eBay, with the starting bid of only C$200. The serial is HBG 0803339. Too bad I spent a lot of money on a circulated note back in the summer, but so did many others. No regrets though, the gambling is a part of the hobby.
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Why buy just one for that price? You can get HBG0803345-6, a consecutive pair, for just $379 BIN. And it's in Canadian dollars, too!! :)
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Why buy just one for that price? You can get HBG0803345-6, a consecutive pair, for just $379 BIN. And it's in Canadian dollars, too!! :)
or from same seller 1 GEM UNC for 200 bucks only a few serial number off the pair
.... looks like bundles and bricks seeming more of a reality...
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The discussion would seem to be about the rarity of Macklem-Carney HBG notes,
I was hoping not to debate the "rarity" point in my post. I was just curious how some forum members leapt to the conclusion that the HBG was so common suddenly (bricks were released). Did they have info I was unaware of? What was the evidence? Subsequent links supporting further sales may suggest that.
I also wanted to point out that polymer fives are the most scrutinized denomination. We hardly have similar numbers of notes reported in the higher denominations.
I agree that "rarity and value correlate loosely." Would the other rare prefixes such as:
$50 Macklem-Carney AMK: 5 recorded
...$100 Macklem-Carney EKZ: 15 recorded
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7 Unc HBG Macklem-Carney notes sold on eBay in the past 24 hours. Yes, seven! Three more listed.
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7 Unc HBG Macklem-Carney notes sold on eBay in the past 24 hours. Yes, seven! Three more listed.
Wonder how soon it will be before I can pick one up for 50 bucks...or maybe less ??? ;D
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The seller is a well known brick buyer in metro Vancouver. Seems that he could have stumbled upon bundles of HBG M/C from a local bank branch, since many banks have ordered their cash for the Chinese New Year
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i got 20 of HBG 22 unc from a bank branch this morning. i just causally asked for some new notes.
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i got 20 of HBG 22 unc from a bank branch this morning. i just causally asked for some new notes.
Where are you located? I wonder if I should start looking for unc notes here in Toronto. So far unc/au HBG M/C notes have been found in Vancouver, Edmonton and Quebec.
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Where are you located? I wonder if I should start looking for unc notes here in Toronto. So far unc/au HBG M/C notes have been found in Vancouver, Edmonton and Quebec.
Mostly from local bank branch in Vancouver/Metro Vancouver past few days. However, some/almost all have a limit of number of new notes per denomination you can get, specially on fives.
In fact a main branch that had HBG Carney earlier ran out of the new fives, tens and fifties yesterday afternoon. The next order will come Tue next week and who know if they will get more HBG Carney?? A friend only got HBZ yesterday.
I understand so far the bricker didn't get bundles of them. Actually only a handful was given to the bricker from a friend who was lucky to get some.
Time will tell if people can stumble upon bundles of these HBG M/C.
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hi kobecurrency
Which bank/branch in Vancouver? I work near Chinatown and if branches have ordered new notes for lunar new year, maybe I'll get lucky
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Maybe the BOC is cleaning out the vault, getting ready to start printing the Wilkins'-Poloz $5
:)
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I was fortunate to acquire some of the $5 HBG M/C notes this afternoon.
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hi kobecurrency
Which bank/branch in Vancouver? I work near Chinatown and if branches have ordered new notes for lunar new year, maybe I'll get lucky
Try RBC main branch, downtown Vancouver. Actually pretty well all 5 major bank branches in Vancouver, Richmond, and Burnaby may have them, specially ones with heavy Chinese Asian centres would be a better choice.
Happy hunting.
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They are now easily available on ebay in all three ranges 0M, 1M and 2M range most in gem unc. It looks as though the bank of canada has circulated its entire 3.6M batch of macklem-carney notes. Still overpriced in my opinion but i think $50 for a GEMUNC seems reasonable as this is a changeover prefix.
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disaster? everywhere i went, i ran into unc consecutive HBG 21 or 22
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disaster? everywhere i went, i ran into unc consecutive HBG 21 or 22
I don't see this as a disaster...it just gives more collectors the opportunity to get the note at fv price
Collectors have always gambled .. sometimes you win some times you lose...that's just life.
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Hi,
One thing I would like to share with you it's the new HBG (Mc-Car) are release in circulation, but all the unc condition are between maybe 0000000 to maybe under 3 180 000. I suppose some bricks going out in circulation. My point is what about the range of 3 180 000 and over they were found all in circulation and in poor condition. They were the first who was found. When I looked in circulated bricks I found many HBG (Mc-Pol) in all condition but the only(little bit of those) HBG (Mc-Car) was found are in poor condition. Someone tolds me maybe all the notes over 3 180 000 range they were used to maybe test the counting machine at the bank. What all of you think about that, your impression, etc.....
Claude
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I guess some people may want theirs to be more rare than those being found now :-D
Could simply be the way bricks were distributed and how they were stored in depots...whatever is up front is sent out first and some get buried as new stuff comes in...and as always it eventually appears...unless the BOC is going to come out with a statement I would rather have that gem unc than that vf....
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Hi,
Someone tolds me maybe all the notes over 3 180 000 range they were used to maybe test the counting machine at the bank. What all of you think about that, your impression, etc.....
Claude
I would not rule out that possibility. When you think about it these notes have been circulating around for quite some time yet all HBGs under 3.0M have only just been put into circulation in big quantities just recently. This could be similar to the G/R notes where most are regular issue and a very small fraction in a small range were test notes.
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so contunu in two weeks HBG $ 10 Gunc :D
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so contunu in two weeks HBG $ 10 Gunc :D
I will take a few at 10 bucks:)
but they have to be Gems
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DEC. 700.00 VF ,JANV 700.00 AU , 1 WEEKS FER 199.00 GUNC , 2 WEEKS FER 100 UNC, 80.00 AU ::)
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DEC. 700.00 VF ,JANV 700.00 AU , 1 WEEKS FER 199.00 GUNC , 2 WEEKS FER 100 UNC, 80.00 AU ::)
March $10.00 :) GEM UNC
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March $10.00 :) GEM UNC
Guess I was wrong Feb is $10.00 March maybe $7.00 :)
Interesting to know what these notes will actually end up in the catalogue for since bricks/bundles/and consecutive runs in Gem are being found now...
Any guesses....
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Guess I was wrong Feb is $10.00 March maybe $7.00 :)
Interesting to know what these notes will actually end up in the catalogue for since bricks/bundles/and consecutive runs in Gem are being found now...
Any guesses....
Who cares. The catalogue is a work of fiction. I care to know the pricing panel's opinion as much as I care to know if unicorns make rainbow-coloured turds. The value is whatever you can get for these notes at any moment in time. If I had any of these notes, I would list consecutive pairs on eBay starting at $18 and let the bidders decide how much they go for.
What I am more interested in is how the grade of Gem Uncirculated is designated for polymer notes. While just about everyone else calls new consecutive notes "Gem", I find that lots of new notes have hairline scratches on the holographic strip, thus making me quite reluctant to use the word "Gem". But that's another subject for another thread.
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With the market now nearly flooded for these notes, I can see Carney HBG becoming more common than Poloz HBG, with prices approaching that of common notes. Kind of like the 1867 1967 $1 notes.
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Do you know of there are any for sale?
Im new here and only really joined to see more info on the m carney 5 bills. by chance I got my hands on 9 uncirculated bills. Currently in a safe in plastic covers. is there a really good market for these or is it yet to be seen
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Im new here and only really joined to see more info on the m carney 5 bills. by chance I got my hands on 9 uncirculated bills. Currently in a safe in plastic covers. is there a really good market for these or is it yet to be seen
No need to keep these in a safe... These notes are no longer rare, there are over 3 million of these circulating now. They are selling on eBay for $20-25 in Unc condition, and the price is likely to drop further.
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Well it appears they have become common in a really short amount of time. I actually found my first one today and wasn't really that surprised based on how many are starting to pop up online now. Still cool though since its my first one :)
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I've been keeping all M/C 2013 $5s I receive in circulation, but are circulated ones even worth keeping anymore? I get them all the time now.
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I've been keeping all M/C 2013 $5s I receive in circulation, but are circulated ones even worth keeping anymore? I get them all the time now.
IMO they are spenders
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Only the one that are in UNC or better and the ones that fall in the replacement range are worth keeping otherwise they are spenders.
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it always seems to take about 10 years for things to shake out. I would recommend to keep the Carney's as 3.4 M is not a big issue in general and if you look at 3 M issues, after a while Unc creep up to 4 & 5 X's face.
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Regardless of the eventual price of these notes, you can still have some fun with them...
I've turned the HBG Carney hunt into a game with my friends. They are now looking through every single five dollar bill that they come across. They say that they hate me now because it's turned into an obsession! :)
To date, we have collectively found seven notes in total; the most interesting serial number is 3000543. :)
I'm keeping them all. In Toronto, they seem to be very scarce and a couple of my friends go through hundreds of fives a day at work.
Dean
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it always seems to take about 10 years for things to shake out. I would recommend to keep the Carney's as 3.4 M is not a big issue in general and if you look at 3 M issues, after a while Unc creep up to 4 & 5 X's face.
This might not be the case for this particular note as many collectors have hung onto UNC notes. There will be a lot of them on the market.