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Canadian Notes => Polymer Series => Topic started by: Seth on November 07, 2012, 08:22:28 pm
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Picked up 25 of the new notes from Scotiabank main commercial branch in downtown Vancouver. Nice looking notes.
BIG6254940 - 64, FP and BP 69
Has your local bank had any?
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My local bank had 20s ordered but somehow they were sent old journey ones :'(
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Called my bank to order some and was told that they got a memo saying ATMs would be given priority.
So I too am probably going to receive old ones.
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Didn't have the time to make it to a bank branch before closing time. Tried an ATM tonight and all I got was old 20s.
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Just got my hands on a bunch from a TD cash machine on the YorkU campus. BIJ prefix.
Nice looking note!
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Went yesterday to 1 ATM at my local RBC branch, nothing, old 20$... I went to my other local branch DesJardins, same thing. Today, I'll try again ! They said the same thing, the ATM first and asap !
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Just got my hands on a bunch from a TD cash machine on the YorkU campus. BIJ prefix.
Nice looking note!
If you would be so kind as to please enter your notes into the Serial Number Database, your work will help everyone. Thanks!
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No luck at my local brabches in Toronto yet. I have accounts at several banks and have tried:
RBC at Leslie and Lakeshore
Scotiabank at MAin and Danforth
RBC at Yonge and Grenville
CIBC at Gerrard Square
CIBC Parliament and Carlton
TD at Parliament and Carlton
RBC at Pape and Danforth
You'd figure that in a big city, the banks would get larger volumes of notes...
I haven't had time to visit the main branches downtown but I have been able to obtain the new issues of notes very easily going all the way back to the launch of the Journey Series $10 in 2000.
Oh well, They will be all over the place in a week or so...I guess I will have to wait...
Dean
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The hologram of the Queen looks much better than the actual portrait. I found that they are generally washed out and flat.
The angle has changed slightly too...
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It was by pure luck I stumbled on an ATM that had them. Only 1 out of the 4 TD machines were giving out new 20s. RBC, BMO and Scotia were still doling out the old ones.
One odd find with my 20s was the notes seemed to be all from a bundle ending in 500-599, but the bundles were exactly 50,000 notes apart. I made multiple visits hoping I would snag a radar note, but no luck. :(
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Four different banks and credit unions in Winnipeg and Steinbach all said 'nope'. Try again tomorrow!
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Went to the ATM today after reading the posts and noticed after withdrawing $40 that my bank alternated between the old notes and the new notes.Got BIU 7688611 and was within 76 notes of a radar x2.Went back a few times and a few hours later but I got it 7886887.
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here it is
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Nice find!
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Got my 'first' batch at the Royal Bank on Hurontario and Watline Ave in Mississauga. I like them! BIK1375303 - BIK1375318. Will enter the info in the SNDB this evening.
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At my bank paying a bill had the teller has set aside the only one they had. :) (BIG1018758)
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Between myself and a friend, we got five different serial number ranges from three different prefixes (BIJ, BIK, BIT). I've found that a few RBC branches locally had notes in the branch, but many did not. Several branches advised that they had new notes in their ATMs, but as I'm not an RBC customer, I did not confirm this.
As for other banks, if they had any new notes, they were in the ATMs, but it was hit and miss, and not all ATMs at a branch had the new notes. One TD had them in one ATM, but not the other. Most banks seemed not to have any new notes at all yet.
Please input your notes to the SNDB. Using the data already present, along with a large quantity of data from another collector who was able to access a surprising variety of notes today, we have just about nailed down the position number layout and numbering system. There are still some holes, so please make sure you add your notes to the SNDB as we continue to research these new notes.
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Got a range of notes from downtown T.O. bank machines today. Most major banks seemed to be dispensing new $20s - RBC was the only exception, the machines at the main branch still didn't have them.
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How about this as a point of discussion?
For what we know now, these could be the last notes printed by BA International after 145 years. Wouldn't it be interesting to know what the serial number of the last note the company printed was?
Thoughts??
John
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I have an extra BIT to trade. I am looking for BI-E, F, G, K, L, P, R, S, U or W.
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Tried three TD branches (ATMs) in west end Montreal today. No luck.
I'll try some busy ATMs downtown during the week.
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Tried three TD branches (ATMs) in west end Montreal today. No luck.
I'll try some busy ATMs downtown during the week.
If you really want new 20$ today, take the 40 and go to the ATM at this RBC bank: http://www.yellowpages.ca/bus/Quebec/Anjou/Royal-Bank-Place-Carillon/2756003.html (http://www.yellowpages.ca/bus/Quebec/Anjou/Royal-Bank-Place-Carillon/2756003.html).
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Got a BIP4740005 (FPN/BPN 95) from a TD ATM yesterday. True what BWJM posted: some banks (ATM's) have em, some don't. Used the polymer $20 for a Loto purchase in a nearby pharmacy and you should have heard the cashier coo over it (she really liked it). It was the 1st she has seen since its release this past Wed.
Entered in the SNDB.
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Did anyone notice that when you tilt the note, the segments in the clock in the metallic building rotate and then finally show 11:00?
I like it!
John
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Do you think they send some prefix to the west and some to the east ? In Montrea, I saw a lot of BIT and BIH. However, the west is getting a lot of BIE. The Ontario is getting BIG and BIK.
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got BIK 4672664-8 today from CIBC at Bay and Dundas... :)
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Did anyone notice that when you tilt the note, the segments in the clock in the metallic building rotate and then finally show 11:00?
I like it!
John
Yes I did notice that. 11:00, nice touch. Just like on the Journey $50.
I also noticed that mysterious 4 cm2 square area on the back of the note that is apparent when holding it at certain angles. Someone first noticed it on the polymer $100 when it first came out. What is that square, anyway? Some undocumented security feature?
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got this beauty
BIG 3398888 !
(In the eye of beholder )
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I Get $100 From ATM, All Brand new $20 Polymer Banknote
The Note is From BIE 7318725 ---> BIE 7318720
Somehow It Missing a "BIE 7318721"
Is that Means anything ??
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Do you think they send some prefix to the west and some to the east ? In Montrea, I saw a lot of BIT and BIH. However, the west is getting a lot of BIE. The Ontario is getting BIG and BIK.
There is a wide distribution of notes. There never has been (nor is there any today) any evidence to suggest that certain notes are sent to certain parts of the country.
I also noticed that mysterious 4 cm2 square area on the back of the note that is apparent when holding it at certain angles. Someone first noticed it on the polymer $100 when it first came out. What is that square, anyway? Some undocumented security feature?
This "security square" was first observed on late Birds series $20s about 10 years ago. It has since been seen intermittently (or at least it was not observable on some notes) throughout the Journey series and into the polymer series. There is no good answer as to what it is for; so far just a lot of guesses.
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There is a wide distribution of notes. There never has been (nor is there any today) any evidence to suggest that certain notes are sent to certain parts of the country.
This "security square" was first observed on late Birds series $20s about 10 years ago. It has since been seen intermittently (or at least it was not observable on some notes) throughout the Journey series and into the polymer series. There is no good answer as to what it is for; so far just a lot of guesses.
If you look at eBay dans the SNDB, BIE are only in British Columbia, also BIF.
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If you look at eBay dans the SNDB, BIE are only in British Columbia, also BIF.
You're using the high and low notes from less than a week's finds by a miniscule fraction of the population to try and claim a limited geographic distribution of banknotes? :D
Wait until we've got 100 notes in there. Then, maybe, by looking at all of the geographic data you could guess as to where they were all found, but you can't count on each one of those notes having been entered immediately after they were obtained from a bank. Some may have been on road trips across the country before finally being entered into the SNDB.
Case in point: I've already entered a handful of polymer $20s that have been passed from hand to hand in circulation. Who knows where they ultimately started.
The geographic data in the SNDB must be taken with a grain of salt. It can be useful, but only if taken appropriately.
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I know the SNDB doesn't represent the reality but, it's good data to notice I think. Yes, in few months we will see notes moving from a province to another, but they won't be UNC like they are currently when they come out of the ATM.
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The ones handed out at the Montreal BoC media event last week were all BIE.
There are, as of now, very few new $20's circulating in Montreal. I haven't seen a single one in a cash drawer or anything. I asked four family members (who are all clients of different banks) who withdrew cash from ATM's over the weekend. Not one.
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The ones handed out at the Montreal BoC media event last week were all BIE.
There are, as of now, very few new $20's circulating in Montreal. I haven't seen a single one in a cash drawer or anything. I asked four family members (who are all clients of different banks) who withdrew cash from ATM's over the weekend. Not one.
If you want, you can try the RBC branch at Place Carillion near Les Galeries d'Anjou. I got 5 BIH here in the left ATM. The one on the right didn't have them, but the cashier inside have 'em. They require two IDs cards if you are not a RBC member.
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It seems to really depend where you are in the city which notes are put in machines.
In the financial district, most banks had loaded the new $20s in their machines. Back in the suburbs, I've found many branch ATMs don't have them, or if they have them it's only one machine out of two or four.
On another note, I found one machine here still dispensing UNC paper $20s, AUU prefix.
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If you want, you can try the RBC branch at Place Carillion near Les Galeries d'Anjou. I got 5 BIH here in the left ATM. The one on the right didn't have them, but the cashier inside have 'em. They require two IDs cards if you are not a RBC member.
Thanks for the heads-up, but Anjou is much too far for me. I'm not that desperate. :P
For sure by the end of the month, they'll be in the majority of ATMs.
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For sure by the end of the month, they'll be in the majority of ATMs.
My local ATMs are now full of them.
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I picked up BIF 9314068-9314059+9314057 so am missing 58.
This means that It was ether shuffled to another spot or replaced. And I suspect inserts are added at the end of a bundle/brick.
So maybe if you go back to the atm when its at the end of the bundle you'll get inserts.
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My local ATMs are now full of them.
Wish I could say the same. As I said before, several banks, in three parts of the city...not a one.
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And I suspect inserts are added at the end of a bundle/brick
unfortunately you cannot assume that
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Typically inserts replace the note that has problems exactly where the problem note resides. To better understand this one should understand how exactly notes are produced and cut. When money is printed it is printed in a stack, where the notes with consecutive serials are found above or below the note, rather than next to the preceding or proceeding note on the same sheet.
When there is a problem with the printing of a sheet (and the problem is big enough to invalidate the entire sheet), the entire sheet is replaced where it was located in the stack. This is why normally you tend to find a (sheet) replacement note exactly where the next logical serial number note would have been, since once the problem sheet is replaced the entire stack is cut (straight down) to create bundles with consecutive serials.
On the other hand after all the notes in the stack are cut the bundles pass a secondary QC inspection, there will be times where production problems were not caught prior to cutting / sheet inspection. If such anomalies exist, and secondary QC notices it, then a single note replacement is used and inserted where the problem note existed.
Again the above is how printers typically dealt with problem notes in the past. There might be a small chance that they could change this (and place replacements elsewhere), but the likelihood of this is extremely small (but not impossible - aka it does happen that sometimes they are put at the end of the stack).
Also note that this printing/cutting method might be different as one printer likes to make non-consecutive (mixed) bundles.
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Called my bank to order some and was told that they got a memo saying ATMs would be given priority.
So I too am probably going to receive old ones.
Nope, got 5 bundles of new ones with BOC straps. And boy are they messed up, and boy am I unlucky.
BUNDLE 1
BIH 1310252-1310245
BIH 1260259-1260251, 1260244-1260217, 1260215-1260200
BIH 1210298-1210260
BUNDLE 2
BIH 1660298-1660274
BIH 1710277, 1710275-1710211, 1710209-1710204, 1710202-1710200
BUNDLE 3
BIH 1460298-1460260, 1460258-1460256, 1460254-1460249
BIH 1510257-1510201
BUNDLE 4
BIH 1410245-1410204, 1410202-410201
BIH 136299-1360244
BUNDLE 5
BIH 1260299-1260243
BIH 1310242-1310200
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Well, got my first one today. Not from an ATM, but in change. It was a BIH and I had to spend it. It was VERY crumpled and folded.
I keep trying various ATM's. Still nothing.
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Well, finally had some luck last night aften umpteen tries.
One of them belongs in the SNDB but it won't let me add it for some reason.
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In SW Sask., and SE Alta. we are only getting BIE. So far I have ranges in 1.91, 3.03 and 0.52.
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Those who have been trying multiple bank machines and had no luck finding the new 20's aren't lucky at all. The other day i withdrew a small amount of money for the first time in a long time (because usually i don't use cash) i wanted the journey 20's because a lot of vending machines and parking meters are still not programmed for the new 20's... anyway it gave me only the new polymer 20's.
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Got 3 BSK today
Cheers. Polarbear
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Got 3 BSK today
Cheers. Polarbear
Please add them to the SNDB!
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Four different banks and credit unions in Winnipeg and Steinbach all said 'nope'. Try again tomorrow!
I just went to SCU (lagimodier location) and picked up a bunch of new notes... also requested new notes from Royal and they will be in for me on Wed... (they are out there) Steinbach I have noticed has them "mixed" in with the journeys at the tellers. 34 out of the 100 notes were the new polys.. BIG & BIH (with one BIE circulated)... a bunch of them ended up being consecutive so I'm not sure but I don't think there were any inserts. All the BIG and BIH were uncirculated.
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This "security square" was first observed on late Birds series $20s about 10 years ago. It has since been seen intermittently (or at least it was not observable on some notes) throughout the Journey series and into the polymer series. There is no good answer as to what it is for; so far just a lot of guesses.
I got 4 BSL notes from a CIBC ATM in downtown Toronto today. All 4 have that mysterious square on the back. Has anyone tried looking at these squares under a UV or infra-red light? If some notes have these squares and some don't, is it possible that these are some kind of test notes?
BTW, just in case anyone is curious...do NOT put the polymer notes into a microwave :D; the foil hologram will catch fire on these notes just like the Journey series. I put one of my Frontier 20s in the microwave and it only took 2 seconds for the "zap". I had my finger poised over the stop button so I wouldn't lose $20.00, but now the hologram looks as if someone took a thumb-tack and scratched lines into it.
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Visited a few banks in Toronto and received the folloiwng prefixes: BSK, BSL, BIK, BIJ & BIN. Will update the data base shortly.
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Venga, I checked all five prefixes I have received so far ... all have the 'square' on the reverse side of the note, on the right side of the monument, under the flag ... so I'm guessing this is the norm.
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I got 4 BSL notes from a CIBC ATM in downtown Toronto today. All 4 have that mysterious square on the back. Has anyone tried looking at these squares under a UV or infra-red light? If some notes have these squares and some don't, is it possible that these are some kind of test notes?
I've used both to look at some old notes a while back and saw nothing. The odd note showed a VERY faint orange glow under UV. I'm guessing that the square will respond, but it has to be a specific wavelength of light, probably in the ultraviolet range, and it is not a wavelength found in commonly available UV lights. Of course I am just guessing and have nothing to back that up, nor the means to experiment.
Anyone got one of those light devices that they use on CSI to look for blood (and other) stains? It might be helpful here.
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This square is the norm, and was put on all note of the Journey's serie and on a part on the Birds serie (mostly on the 20$). But this square is there for one reason. The printer would not put something absolutely useless on the notes...And I put one year ago an image of this square, which fluoresces feebly under a black light.
I don't know exactly what is it and I didn't get any positive answer when I asked the question to a RCMP agent who was invited to our coin club to explain the new polymer note last February. He wasn't aware of the existence of this square and wasn't able (or didn't wanted, I don't know) to tell us what is it.... Maybe the agent was instructed by his superiors to even not tell that this square is for...
All I was able to learn is there is some public security features (those one publicly known) and some secret (or confidential) ones. I guess that this square is one of these secret security features.
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I have seen about 60 polymer notes in the $20 denomination and each of them has a square that is visible in natural light when viewed at a shallow angle.
I am wondering if it is there to prevent sticking of notes together. Is there raised printing on the backside where the square is?
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I'm guessing that the square will respond, but it has to be a specific wavelength of light, probably in the ultraviolet range, and it is not a wavelength found in commonly available UV lights. Of course I am just guessing and have nothing to back that up, nor the means to experiment.
I e-mailed the Bank of Canada about the mysterious square and this is their response:
This is in response to your email in which you requested information concerning a square on the polymer bank note.
Under some lighting conditions, certain underlying print patterns may become visible. These should not be used to authenticate notes. The Bank encourages the public to use the many security features of the polymer notes to authenticate them reliably.
So apparently the square is just an "underlying print pattern"...
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I've used both to look at some old notes a while back and saw nothing. The odd note showed a VERY faint orange glow under UV. I'm guessing that the square will respond, but it has to be a specific wavelength of light, probably in the ultraviolet range, and it is not a wavelength found in commonly available UV lights.
Check out this demo version of an online currency catalog: http://demo.icpress.ru/M_ENG/index.htm (http://demo.icpress.ru/M_ENG/index.htm). The polymer $100 shown there has a similar square patch that glows magenta under UV light.
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I e-mailed the Bank of Canada about the mysterious square and this is their response:
So apparently the square is just an "underlying print pattern"...
I think there was a miscommunication somewhere. Underlying print patterns don't transcend multiple series of banknotes and exhibit hints of UV reflectivity. I would suggest that the Bank of Canada personnel responding to your inquiry was referring to some other element of the design.
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Those who have been trying multiple bank machines and had no luck finding the new 20's aren't lucky at all. The other day i withdrew a small amount of money for the first time in a long time (because usually i don't use cash) i wanted the journey 20's because a lot of vending machines and parking meters are still not programmed for the new 20's... anyway it gave me only the new polymer 20's.
If you're looking for Journey $20's, try a TD Bank machine in Montreal. That's all they're giving out.
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Local Scotiabank machine has crisp AUJ journeys.
Found some BIF, BIG and BIJ today.
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If you're looking for Journey $20's, try a TD Bank machine in Montreal. That's all they're giving out.
A TD branch in Brossard gave me almost exclusively well-used Journey $20s. I didn't try the ATM.
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Check out this demo version of an online currency catalog: http://demo.icpress.ru/M_ENG/index.htm (http://demo.icpress.ru/M_ENG/index.htm).
Thank you for the link. It provides some good details.
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Hi everyone,
I went to the ATM at my local branch and I got this range of notes: BIN5320940 to BIN5320950. However, BIN5320947 is missing.
Any clue ?
Thanks.
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just the way the notes are packaged in the bundles/bricks
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I went to the ATM at my local branch and I got this range of notes: BIN5320940 to BIN5320950. However, BIN5320947 is missing.
Any clue ?
I've got missing numbered notes in my sequences both times I withdrew 20's from ATM so I assume its quite frequent & insignificant.
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New $20s seem to have suddenly dried up outside of downtown Toronto.
Some 50 ATMs I've used in the last few days only had old 20s.
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New $20s seem to have suddenly dried up outside of downtown Toronto
Yes - it seems no polymer lately- so now's your chance to get some paper...
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Hi,
I got a UNC 20$ today from the bank and there's a small error on it. In the window, where there's the queen face, I see a "scratch"... where no hologram is (it's only plastic transparent). You can see an example here, but my error is in the hologram. (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Error-printing-Canada-2012-20-00-Polymer-Bank-Note-BSB0573193-Unc-/121054705525?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_210&hash=item1c2f6c3775&_uhb=1#ht_500wt_1414)
Is that something commun as we currently know ?
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Lately I've been pulling $50's from my local bank... and I too noticed this "flake" it's like there's no "paper' between the plastic.. the edge is still crisp and straight yet there is definitely an edge to the note that is missing.
I was excited to see it, thinking it may be an error, but I feel it may end up being too common in production to warrant any great value to the note.