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Canadian Notes => Early Canadian Notes => Topic started by: Bernard_Schaaf on September 03, 2007, 10:37:14 pm
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My ancient Charlton says that the the Canadian Bank of Commerce 1917 $50's with the plain background had brown reverses and the $50's with the multi-colored underprint had orange reverses. Is this really so?? Every image I have ever found has a brown reverse.
And I still haven't figured out the difference between the seal colors of the 1917 $5's with the multi background---my old Charlton says there
was one with "green and red seal" and one with "multicolored seal;" all the images I have ever found are of the latter "variety."
Thanks to all for the help.
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Dear Bernard
To answer your question, I believe the first edition book you has made a mistake on the back color of this note. Brown is now the only color recognized as the back of the Canadian Bank of Commerce $50. There are only 3 know varieties of this note and they are as follows:
Yellow face tint signed Walker - Logan (Institutional collection only)
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/currencymuseum/eng/collection/view.php?objectid=1970.0034.00002.000 (http://www.bankofcanada.ca/currencymuseum/eng/collection/view.php?objectid=1970.0034.00002.000)
Yellow Face tint signed Aird - Logan
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/currencymuseum/eng/collection/view.php?objectid=1973.0116.00008.000 (http://www.bankofcanada.ca/currencymuseum/eng/collection/view.php?objectid=1973.0116.00008.000)
Finally there is the White background variety with only 2 known to exist
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/currencymuseum/eng/collection/view.php?objectid=1992.0038.00023.000 (http://www.bankofcanada.ca/currencymuseum/eng/collection/view.php?objectid=1992.0038.00023.000)
As for the 5's with the different seal colors. I believe both of these varieties have the same color seal on the left but the right seal will give these away. On one variety the seal is green and red only while the other will be green, red, blue and lilac tint. Both of these have white backgrounds and are signed walker -aird.
Red Green seal
http://www.currencymuseum.ca/eng/collection/view.php?objectid=1966.0098.02419.000 (http://www.currencymuseum.ca/eng/collection/view.php?objectid=1966.0098.02419.000)
Multi color seal
http://www.currencymuseum.ca/eng/collection/view.php?objectid=1970.0077.00011.000 (http://www.currencymuseum.ca/eng/collection/view.php?objectid=1970.0077.00011.000)
I hope this helps
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Thank you very much for the helpful information. I am still assembling my collection of images into a book-like format.
Do you happen to know where I might get color images of the CBC 1871 $5??? Or the 1887 $10??? Bernard
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Hi Bernard,
While trying to find you an image of the Canadian Bank of Commerce 1887 $10 note I came across the
following information about this issue. The information below is an excerpt from "A History of the Canadian
Bank of Commerce Vol. II" By Victor Ross, Toronto, 1922. This may in part explain why it is so difficult to find
an image of this bank note.
In 1887 a new $10 note was issued, made as all previous issues had been, by the British American Bank Note
Company. The signature and portrait of the new president, Mr. Henry W. Darling, now appeared on the notes
for the first time. As in previous issues the design on the face of the note was printed in black, with the
denomination in an underlying green tint, and the design on the back in green with white lettering. The
distinctive feature of the new issue was a green tint formed by fine curved lines covering almost the whole of
the face of the note. Scarcely had these notes gone into circulation when it was found that the green face tint
blurred very badly, and it was considered necessary to withdraw the issue. Accordingly arrangements were
made with the American Bank Note Company to design and execute a new issue embodying all the best
methods of protection against counterfeiting which were known at the time.
...Arthur
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Thank you very much for the item regarding the CBC 1887 $10 note. If Charlton listed the note he must have known about it, but he may have got his info from the same book you did. And his catalogue specified "No Photo Available." And I see that the Bank of Canada collection does not have this note. Am I correct in assuming that NO 1887 $10 is known to exist???
Any 1971 $5 image available??
Is there anything I can do for you?? Bernard
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The 1887 $10 exists as a face proof. There was one in the BABN archives. It has been illustrated in the second, third, fourth and fifth editions of the catalogue. You should consider updating your library - copies of newer obsolete editions are often available for very little cost.
The 1871 $5 is more available as a counterfeit than as a genuine issued note, though even the counterfeits are hard enough to find. A genuine $5 1871 is illustrated in Pick.
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Once again, thank you. My problem is that I find it virtually impossible to locate any US bookseller who offers any books on Canadian currency. I would be interested in buying a relatively recent Charlton on Chartered Bank Notes if I could find one at a reasonable price. Perhaps some one of the Forum members might have a spare copy he or she no longer needs?
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.... I would be interested in buying a relatively recent Charlton on Chartered Bank Notes if I could find one at a reasonable price .....
Are the following asking prices for old Charlton catalogues for real?!
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sortby=1&tn=charlton+canadian+bank+notes&x=0&y=0
It all goes to show that in all collecting fields there will always be sellers who are either trying to rip people off or just don't have a clue what they're doing ....
I would strongly recommend buying the latest (5th) edition of the catalogue (available on eBay for about $75.00 plus shipping).
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I had no clue my books were worth a small fortune ;D
But in all honesty these books are an invaluable source of information. The new edition lists good pictures great pricing formats which are all up to date and only prices the notes in grades which we know to exist.
Secondly the newly added collector tips offer a glimps in the register and reveal for a few issues how many are estimated to have servived or which denom is scarcer to acheive.
if you do note trust eBay simply go directly on the Charlton Press site and order one from there