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Topic: Misscut or Trimmed 1937 ?  (Read 4703 times)
nomunny
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« on: October 01, 2011, 12:14:28 pm »

Saw this note for sale, need some opinions please, misscut or trimmed ? Thanks in advance.

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« Last Edit: October 01, 2011, 12:25:45 pm by nomunny »
Rusty
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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2011, 01:13:59 pm »

Have seen many like this in different denominations, including consecutive UNC runs of 1937 $2's, $5's and $10's.  Yours has nice wide borders. Absolutely 'misscut' as you suggest (in my opinion of course). If you have the note in hand, and it has not been washed (and shrunk), it should measure 6 inches by 2 7/8 inches.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2011, 01:36:35 pm by Rusty »
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2011, 01:58:03 pm »

A "miscut" note *must* have more paper showing than it should, for it to qualify as a true miscut.  Less paper never qualifies, as it is impossible to verify if the odd dimension is a genuine error or done after the note entered circulation.

If the note measures any less then the dimensions given by rusty, consider it to be a damaged note, not a miscut note.

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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2011, 10:30:07 pm »

Miscut.  Even though notes of the 1937 series were printed in sheets and cut using machinery, machines don't always make perfect rectangles.  Oddly enough, the later multicolour series exhibits many notes with crooked borders, and sometimes the edges don't make 90 degree angles.  Replacement notes often have the worst cuts, like the note shown below.  The top and bottom edges are aligned to the horizontal but the left and right edges are not quite vertical, so none of the corners are 90 degrees, and the shape of the note is more like a parallelogram than a rectangle. That is in addition to the design on the note being rotated out of alignment, leaving slanted edges all around.

Consequently, notes vary in size and it is not entirely correct to say that if a note does not reach a certain set of dimensions, therefore it is trimmed.  I always stress the rule of thumb that states if a note looks trimmed, then it is trimmed.  The 1937 $1 note at the top of this thread has wide edges, so it doesn't look trimmed.  In fact, it could use a trim of the top edge to get it straight and therefore more aesthetically pleasing.  Washing tends to stretch notes, not shrink them because banknote paper is pre-shrunk.  A dealer once showed me a 1967 $1 note that was freakishly stretched.  It had to be about 10% longer than an average note.  Wetting the paper makes it swell, then pressing it keeps it spread out while it dries.  I'm sure the note I was shown by the dealer had to have been  treated with additional tension since banknote paper has a much higher tensile strength than, say, newsprint.  So if you think a note has to be at least a certain size to be original, you could be sadly mistaken.

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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2011, 05:17:54 pm »

In this scan neither note is miscut or trimmed . The larger note is .226 "  larger than a normal note because of its borders.

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« Last Edit: October 02, 2011, 05:27:01 pm by rocken »

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2011, 01:36:05 am »

In this scan neither note is miscut or trimmed . The larger note is .226 "  larger than a normal note because of its borders.
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Notes with one short border tend to sell for less.  Again, it's the rule of thumb, if it looks trimmed, it's trimmed (as far as the potential value is concerned).  Thanks for the pic, it's another good example of how it is faulty reasoning to believe that all notes start out the same size.

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