CPM Forum
Canadian Notes => Canadian Journey Notes => Topic started by: jonathan on July 01, 2004, 12:15:13 am
-
Well, the new $20 note will be revealed on August 25th, and will be issued on September 29th.
But, however, I predict (and this is only a guess) that the new $50 note (the last new note to complete the Journey series) will be unveiled (or released) around the occasion of the 75th anniversary of the "persons" case - presumably Wednesday, October 13th or 20th.
If you wish to find out more about the Famous Five and Therese Casgrain, go into search engine www.google.ca or www.yahoo.ca", and enter keywords "Famous Five Therese Casgrain."
Bye for now, and Happy Canada Day!
From Jonathan
-
Interesting prediction.
-
I know that many fellow collectors can't bear to wait for the release date of the new $50 note. :-[
Well, I received word from a very reliable source, the new $50 note will be released in Fall 2004.
For those who want to make a small wager, let me know. ;D
Cheers!
Michael
-
I predict that Canada's new $50 note will be released before Christmas. I think that the new $20 notes will debut with the Jenkins/Dodge signature combo this September, and I think that, with the completion of the Journey series, the new $50 note will make its debut with the Jenkins/Dodge combo later in the fall.
The new $100 note, released last March, was the first note to bear the Jenkins/Dodge combo, followed by the $5, and now the $10. I believe that the new $20 will be the next denomination to have that signature combo, and then the $50.
In my opinion, the new Journey $50 note should be released by Christmas, as the Jenkins/Dodge combo has been seen on three of the five current denominations of Canadian banknotes.
I will check the Bank of Canada website each weekday before I go into this Forum for further information!
Later, Jonathan
-
I think that the new $20 notes will debut with the Jenkins/Dodge signature combo this September.
We know this already. It will be Sept. 29th.
the new $50 note will make its debut with the Jenkins/Dodge combo later in the fall.
I don't doubt it will be released in the fall. Unless either official were to quit their job, why would either the $20 or $50 be released with any other combo than J/D?
-
My prediction proved right - the new $50 note WILL indeed be unveiled in Calgary on October 13th.
I give myself a pat on the back for my 100% "accurate" prediction. ;D
Later,
Jonathan
-
Canadian Women to Finally Appear on Bank Notes
Senior Analayst, John Mackenzie of the Bank of Canada, said that Canadian women will soon be appearing on bank notes. The Bank of Canada will be issuing a new $50 note which will feature the images of the Famous Five and Thérèse Casgrain. Bank officials expect the new note to be ready for circulation in November 2004.
The Famous Five were all Albertans: Henrietta Muir Edwards, Nellie McClung, Louise McKinney, Emily Murphy and Irene Parlby.
A Bank of Canada statement notes that "These women overcame tremendous obstacles and exemplify the spirit necessary to build a better Canada. While most often recognized for their role in the famous Persons' case, they were all very politically and socially active particularly for women's rights."
Thérèse Casgrain was a prominent leader in the battle for women's suffrage in Quebec, and contributed to a multitude of causes during her lifetime. For 14 years the dedicated feminist served as president of the Women's Right League. Casgrain also hosted a popular radio program called "Femina".
-
Well, after the new $20 bill is released, it will be just two weeks from that day that the new $50 bill will be unveiled...
I tell ya, the BoC will be pretty busy during the next three months ;D.
Bye 4 Now ;),
Jonathan
-
Is somebody knows or remember when in november the new 50$ note will be released? I checked at the Bank of Canada's website and ALL the references about the release of this note are removed from the news page. ???. In english, the page has a new link which redirect to the Canadian Journey serie and in french, the page is simply gone (does not exists), without any redirecting.
And any informations about the redesigning the 10$ note are also gone.
Is Bank of Canada has something against revealating news about our notes?
-
interesting.
Well the 50 was suppose to be unveilled october 13 and released to the public on november 17.
The updated 10$ was suppose to be released sometime next year.
I guess we will have to wait and see... for now we will still be going with the dates we have.
-
From the Montreal Mirror, Sept 2, 2004
New $50 slammed as racist
Canada's $50 bill will soon be replaced by images that have been attacked as racist and elitist, depicting portraits of the Famous 5 (Judge Emily Murphy, Louise McKinney, Nellie McClung, Irene Parlby and the Montreal-born Henrietta Muir Edwards).
http://www.montrealmirror.com/meat/front.html (scroll till you see it)
Starting next month, the women's rights activists from Alberta will appear on the bill alongside Québécoise activist Thérèse Casgrain. While the five won major gains in the legal status of women in Canada, they were also hostile to Asian immigrants and supported the sterilization of the less-bright among us. Calgary Sun columnist Michael Platt describes them as "white supremacists," pointing out that "Judge Murphy, in her 1922 book on drug abuse, The Black Candle, claimed narcotics are a conspiracy by blacks and Asians to bring about the degeneration of the white race."
But Frances Wright, whose Famous 5 Foundation lobbied for the bill, thinks differently. "The good things the Famous 5 did greatly outweigh any mistakes that they might've made," she says, explaining that The Black Candle was written after Wright consulted 500 "police chiefs, judges and politicians in the British Empire about the growth of drugs in the world. We believe they are the pre-eminent democratic champions of Canada, because they're largely responsible for Canadian women's right to vote and run for office."
Says Fo Niemi of local anti-racist Centre for Research-Action on Race Relations, "We can celebrate what these women did but we still have to acknowledge their racist past, which is a reflection of their times."
-
Does this mean that the new $50 may possibly be delayed, as a result of this "so-called" controversy? ???
Also, if (or should I say when) the new $50 bill gets released, might very few Canadians spend them?
Jonathan ;)
-
A few people will complain, then it'll be over. Not much will happen I don't think.
-
Good point. ;)
-
From the Montreal Mirror, Sept 2, 2004
New $50 slammed as racist
Canada's $50 bill will soon be replaced by images that have been attacked as racist and elitist, depicting portraits of the Famous 5 (Judge Emily Murphy, Louise McKinney, Nellie McClung, Irene Parlby and the Montreal-born Henrietta Muir Edwards).
http://www.montrealmirror.com/meat/front.html (scroll till you see it)
Starting next month, the women's rights activists from Alberta will appear on the bill alongside Québécoise activist Thérèse Casgrain. While the five won major gains in the legal status of women in Canada, they were also hostile to Asian immigrants and supported the sterilization of the less-bright among us. Calgary Sun columnist Michael Platt describes them as "white supremacists," pointing out that "Judge Murphy, in her 1922 book on drug abuse, The Black Candle, claimed narcotics are a conspiracy by blacks and Asians to bring about the degeneration of the white race."
But Frances Wright, whose Famous 5 Foundation lobbied for the bill, thinks differently. "The good things the Famous 5 did greatly outweigh any mistakes that they might've made," she says, explaining that The Black Candle was written after Wright consulted 500 "police chiefs, judges and politicians in the British Empire about the growth of drugs in the world. We believe they are the pre-eminent democratic champions of Canada, because they're largely responsible for Canadian women's right to vote and run for office."
Says Fo Niemi of local anti-racist Centre for Research-Action on Race Relations, "We can celebrate what these women did but we still have to acknowledge their racist past, which is a reflection of their times."
Hi,
I recall reading in a history text that W.M. Mackenzie King was also anti-Asian. During WWII, he believed that all Japanese Canadians should be spread out across Canada so as to prevent communities from re-forming. I know that my grandparents never had anything good to say about him.
It's interesting how these two controversial figures end up on the same bill.
Dean
-
Thu, August 19, 2004
'Famous Five' aren't worth a plug nickel
Making a journalist's salary is rarely something to cheer about -- but it means there's little chance of having to handle the new $50 bill, so hip, hip, hooray.
The redesigned fifty, due out in October, will mark a gutter-level low in the history of Canada's currency. And in honouring the squad of racist, elitist bigots known as the Famous Five, it will serve as a legal-tender insult to millions of Canadians.
The Famous Five -- Nellie McClung, Judge Emily Murphy, Louise McKinney, Henrietta Muir Edwards and Irene Parlby -- are featured on the back of the new $50, along with Quebec human-rights activist Therese Casgrain.
The Famous Five, who'd be more aptly called the Fascist Five, are Alberta feminists who won a major rights battle for Canada's women, after forcing the court to admit females were legally "persons" and could become senators.
That admirable accomplishment, which took place in 1929, certainly earns the Five a place in Canadian history -- but it shouldn't earn them a place on Canada's cash.
And it shouldn't make heroes of people who deserve as much criticism as they do applause.
The Famous Five are a rotten choice, because the country's money is public domain -- and many members of that public are people the Five wouldn't have wanted as Canadians.
Modern-day revisionists have tried to whitewash the dark doctrine of the group, but it's a well-documented truth that the Five consisted of upper-class women who promoted Canada as a racially-superior society of wealthy, educated Anglo-Saxons. No blacks, Asians or East Europeans need apply.
Judge Murphy, in her 1922 book on drug abuse, The Black Candle, claimed narcotics are a conspiracy by blacks and Asians to bring about the degeneration of the white race.
Being white wasn't good enough if your IQ wasn't up to snuff either -- the ladies, now promoted as champions of equal rights, supported a system of enforced sterilization for the "feeble-minded" known as eugenics.
Thanks to self-satisfied bigots like the Famous Five, mentally-challenged and slow-thinking Canadians were forced to undergo surgery to render them incapable of reproducing -- the goal being a superior society where the faults of lesser beings, such as poverty and crime, would no longer exist.
"We protect the public against diseased and distempered cattle. We should similarly protect them against the offal of humanity," is how Murphy put it, in 1932.
The apologists argue that such thinking, along with racism, was common-place in the 1920s and 1930s -- which, incidentally, is exactly when fascism flourished.
Forgiving the Famous Five when we still condemn other white-supremists of the era, including the Nazis, is hypocritical.
There were people of the same era who considered such views disgusting -- it wasn't a case of everybody felt the same, so you can't blame the Five for thinking that way.
It's important that Canada make a stand to show what Murphy and her cohorts promoted was wrong -- especially as the $50 is not the only place the Five will be featured this fall.
Alberta Learning has added the Famous Five to their mandatory Grade 5 history curriculum -- and if young kids are taught these women were heroes, what of the bigotry and racism?
Learning about the Famous Five is a good thing, and again, much of what they fought for was admirable and bold at a time when women were treated as second-class citizens.
But Alberta's students must also be made to learn that the Famous Five treated others as third-class citizens. Hopefully there are teachers out there who will give the kids a balanced version of this history, and not just the happy parts.
As for the $50, it's not too late for the Bank of Canada to scrap the Famous Five plan and find another, more deserving figure from Canadian history to grace the new currency (how about someone from one of the minorities the Famous Five would have kept out of Canada?).
The new fifty will probably be printed anyway, and in some ways it's a fitting bill for the Famous Five -- being rarely seen by the riff-raff.
The $50 certainly suits the group who wanted equality for all -- so long as "all" meant rich, white and intelligent.
<<END OF ITEM>>
Is it true that the new $50 bill may mark a "gutter-level" low when it gets released? If so, will they still print them thereafter? Or might they find another vignette to replace the Famous Five for the theme of "Nation Building"? Or better yet, will they scrap the idea of a new $50 bill for a few years?
Despite all the controversy, I will get my hands on the new $50's as soon as they come out (if they do come out, that is)...
Bye 4 now, Jonathan
-
And the source of this article was.........?
-
Michael Platt, journalist for the Calgary Sun provided this report on August 19th.
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnists/Calgary/Michael_Platt/2004/08/19/589862.html
Thanks, Jonathan
-
Mr. Platt reminds me of a spitting cobra!
-
The only thing that will prevent its release is complete, utter public outrage from every province. And that won't happen.
-
The proposal for the new $50, including the "Famous Five", has been a matter of public record for quite some time. If people were serious about protesting the design to the point of reconsidering it, it would have happened LONG before now. All that's left are people who just want to stir up a little trouble.
Perhaps the Famous Five weren't saints--but to my knowledge, nobody in Canadian history was. Should we scrap John A. from the $10 because of the Railway Scandal? Should we scrap Borden from the $100 because of conscription during WWI? Should we scrap the Queen from this new $20, because she didn't show the appropriate grief at the death of Diana? Nobody is perfect, but these people have earned their place in history, and their positive contributions to Canada were/are significant enough for them to to have earned their places on our money. And the same can be said for the Famous Five.
I for one am looking forward to the new $50, to complete my Journey Series collection... even though it means I won't have any new banknote designs to look forward to for a long time after that.
-
Hear! Hear!
Very well put Jason. :)
Kelly
-
On Sept. 9, 2004, Jason wrote:
I for one am looking forward to the new $50, to complete my Journey Series collection... even though it means I won't have any new banknote designs to look forward to for a long time after that.
My guess is that we may have to wait until at least 2015 or 2016 before we see another new series of Canadian banknotes. I may be in my 40's when they do happen... ;D
Bye 4 now, Jonathan ;)
-
You never know... we may get a new $20 bill in a few years with King Charles and Queen Camilla on it.
-
That brings up an interesting point....
If something were to happen to the Queen, would the whole Journey series be scrapped in favour of a new series? As far fetched as it may sound--that IS what they did with the 1935 series when George V died in 1936.
However, it is also possible that they will make a modified Journey series $20 with Charles (III) on it, and let the Journey series live for its intended lifespan.
Any thoughts?
-
There was a lot of "royal" turmoil in 1936 - 37. After King George V died in January 1936, King Edward assumed the throne only for a few months then abdicated in favor of his brother Albert who became King George VI.
Your question as to why they would replace the whole series rather than just the $1 bill bearing the deceased King's portrait is interesting.... but my guess (completely speculation) is that after George VI was King, the $1 bill had a deceased King, the $2 had the widow of a deceased King, the $5 has a portrait of a disgraced prince who had abdicated the throne, the $10 note bore a portrait of Princess Mary who was very close to her brother Edward, and was unhappy at the way her brother was treated over the abdication. Apparently she refused to attend the wedding of her neice Elizabeth to Prince Philip in 1947 because Edward was not invited. So a complete overhaul seemed in order.
The portrait that was used on the 1937 notes ($1 through $50) was the same portrait of Albert/George that appeared on the 1935 $50 notes, and the reverse graphics were recycled from the 1935 series. I think Charlton says that it was too costly to have separate english & french notes so that was likely a factor in the 1937 redesign.
-
Good question! :)
I would expect (and hope!), that we will get a revised $20 with a portrait of King Charles. I would be surprised if they revised the entire note set; that seems excessive and unecessarily expensive.
The other possible result would be a past Prime Minister on a revised $20, but I kind of doubt it. We are still a member of the Commonwealth and we should have at least one note with the reigning monarch.
Don't get me wrong; I am not a "Royal watcher", nor do I particularly care about the monarchy in general. I AM a person that cares about tradition and history though, and it is appropriate that we maintain the monarch on our currency. Canada is the greatest country on this planet, and we got this way because of the circumstances of our past. Turning our back on the past would be disrespectful and a mistake.
Personally, I hope that the next series of notes will have OTHER important Canadians featured on them. Being placed on a nation's currency is a great honour, and I think we have a number of Canadians that deserve this recognition. I think a series that has an important person from various cultural backgrounds would be the best representation of Canada. But I also think the $20 should always carry the reigning monarch.
That's the way I see it. :)
-
Hi,
I agree with Kelly when she says that the Monarch should remain on our folding money. The BoC missed a great opportunity to release a commemorative $50 for the Queen's golden Jubilee in 2002. Nation building would have been an appropriate theme too.
Other Commonwealth countries have issued notes to commemorate this event, why didn't we?
Dean.
-
Ah-humm.......
Mr. Kelly B. ::)
-
Ah-humm.......
Mr. Kelly B. ::)
sorry...
Kelly, Please forgive my ignorance... :-[ I know 3 female Kellys and I also have a female cousin of the same name. Force of habit, I guess.
Dean.
-
Fuhgettabuhttit. ;D
I get mail addressed to Ms. all the time. ::)
-
Any more comments or concerns regarding the upcoming new $50 note? ??? Please let us know. :)
Jonathan ;)
-
We are still a member of the Commonwealth and we should have at least one note with the reigning monarch.
If the government can yank the Lord's Prayer from our school system to accommodate a few, what's stopping them from slapping some ding dong's portrait other than the Queen's mug on a note? >:(
I personally haven't enjoyed the look of notes since the '54 series. Probably since these were the first notes I ever collected. They are simple and bright in colours. The new notes since seem to be too busy for me. :P
-
The Queen is STILL on our coins, after all.
However, I have the feeling that we will always have ONE note with the image of the monarch, be it Elizabeth II, Charles III, William V, or whomever.
I like how the reverses since 1954 have always depicted "Canadiana" in some form, and I hope we continue to do that in future note series.
As for Macdonald, Laurier, Borden, and King..... these LEADERS of Canada have made positive and lasting contributions to our history, and I do not think they should be replaced either. In my honest opinion (and I am NOT looking to pick a fight with this), I would sooner see the monarch go before these celebrated Canadians.
-
How old is the Queen now?
-
She was born April 21, 1926, which would make her 78.
-
Given the longevity of her family (esp. her mom), I bet she will reign long enough to surpass Victoria's record, and even go after the all-im European record, which currently stands at 72 years on the throne. (Louis XIV of France)
(Elizabeth II is approaching 53 years this Feb.)
-
Can we end this conversation regarding the monarchy on our currency? This topic is about the upcoming Journey $50 note, the Famous Five and Therese Casgrain, and other related subjects... ;D
If anybody has any further opinions regarding the new $50 note, please feel free by posting on this thread. :)
I think that there will be more information on this thread when the new note is unveiled.
Hey, it's only a few weeks away... ::)
Thanks, Jonathan
;)
-
The monarchy issue sort of ties into the new $50. It has been suggested by some that to commemorate the Golden Jubilee, Elizabeth (and perhaps Philip as well) should have been put on a special issue of the $50. To that point I must respectfully disagree. She is already present on the $20, and I would not condone displacing William Lyon Mackenzie King, a Canadian Prime Minister (and the longest serving PM of all time), just to make MORE room for the Queen.
Perhaps people are thinking of the 1935 $25-bill, to honour the Silver Jubilee of King George V and Queen Mary. I think it's neat how a special denomination was created for them. However, since we didn't repeat the process in 1977 when we had the chance, I don't see the point in mucking around with the new $50.
That being said, I am looking forward to the new $50, AS it has been described, and with all of the images we have been told about!
J
-
Good point, Jason.
We should keep the familiar faces on our banknotes as they are for this and any future banknote series. :)
As for the new $50 note, the unveiling is only a month away. And then another five weeks until its actual release. ::)
Time is flying. Before you know it, "Ho Ho Ho" will come to your home. ;D
(Did you know that the last two notes to complete the series are of Christmas colours? :D)
Bye 4 Now, ;)Jonathan
-
More stuff to read, in case anyone is interested:
"Regarding "New $50 slammed as racist" [The Front, Sept.2]: not only is Famous 5 judge Emily Murphy a well known racist, she is very high on the list of prohibitionists who made almost any vice illegal because of their strict need to impose their values on others. Even though this meant lying and ignoring any science, it didn't stop them. This is sickening. The very notion that the Famous 5 did more good than harm is absolutely wrong. They encouraged racism and made cannabis illegal because it supposedly made "black men" go crazy and rape white women.
Emily Murphy had an agenda, and getting women any power wasn't on it. It was nothing but an avenue of decency she could tolerate."
and
"Emily Murphy was a racist puritan crackpot, and we have her to thank for decades of drug-war misery, millions of ruined lives and billions of wasted dollars. If they want to put her face on a piece of paper, it shouldn't be the new $50 bill, it should be on toilet paper."
link: http://www.montrealmirror.com/meat/letters.html (will change after next week)
-
All those rumours out there are making me worry that the new $50 bill may become the least popular banknote in Bank of Canada's history...
I hope people can trust the fact that the Famous Five group have really helped Canadians in a positive way.
Here is an article regarding the Famous Five and what they did good for Canadians:
The Famous Five Exhibition at the National Library
Joni Waiser
January/February 2001
Research and Information Services
Until 1929, one word denied women access to the Senate of Canada. The word "persons" in the British North America Act of 1867 did not, or so it seemed, include women, although, as persons, they were able to vote in all federal and most provincial elections.
Five remarkable Alberta women contested the interpretation of the word "persons" in the Supreme Court of Canada in 1928. The group consisted of Emily Murphy, initiator of the movement and its spokesperson; Louise McKinney; Henrietta Muir Edwards; Nellie McClung and Irene Parlby. Their first attempt was unsuccessful. But the following year, the Privy Council in Great Britain, which was still the highest appeal court for Canada, decided that "the word ‘persons’ in section 24 of the British North America Act includes members both of the male and female sex … and that women are eligible to be summoned to and become members of the Senate of Canada."
While commemorating this milestone in the history of women’s rights in Canada, an exhibition at 395 Wellington Street in Ottawa aimed to promote awareness of the "Famous Five", as the newspapers of the time labelled these enterprising women.
The Famous Five exhibition was a joint initiative of the National Library of Canada, the National Archives of Canada, the Department of Justice Canada and the Famous 5 Foundation. It coincided with the October 18, 2000, inauguration of the Women Are Persons! commemorative monument on Parliament Hill.
The display began with archival documents describing the legal process of the Persons Case. It then highlighted selective publications written by or about the women, providing insight into their interests and commitment to social causes. The exhibit concluded with an overview of the repercussions of their victory, from the appointment of the first woman to the Senate in 1930 to today.
The National Library’s collection includes extensive material on the life and times of the Famous Five, honouring their work and its relevance to present-day conditions. Drawing on this collection, the exhibition featured newspaper and periodical articles, dissertations, sound recordings, brochures, conference data, postage stamps, posters, as well as monographs paying tribute to the Famous Five and the Persons Case.
Biographies of the Famous Five and other women activists who have worked to improve the lives of Canadian women can be found on our Web site under Celebrating Women’s Achievements, www.collectionscanada.ca/women/index-e.html.
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/bulletin/015017-0101-09-e.html
I really would like for Canadians to have a positive feeling over the new $50 bill.
Later, Jonathan
-
I am rather upset over the new $50, as in history class, I learned about King being a racist, Anti-Asian person, ordering Japanese to be stripped of their possessions and held in captivity. I also am shocked over the appearance of the famous 5, They slammed certain races, they blamed all problems on other people........etc........, anyways, I hope this didn't sound too harsh, and I will still accept the new $50........
-
I assume you're talking about William Lyon Mackenzie King. Yes he was a big time racist. His policy on letting Jews into Canada at that time was: NONE is TOO MANY!
-
Well, literally King was a good friend of Adolf Hitler, and obivously, followed along with his hatred of Jews. He was supposedly our "best" prime minister, he did many good things however, but it cannot justify what he did to the asian and Jewish people of this country.
-
I am certainly not one to defend racism and anti-semitism, but objectively, one must also consider that William Lyon Mackenzie King was still a product of his times, and his attitudes were very commonplace during the era in which he lived and governed Canada. He is Canada's longest-serving Prime Minister, and has been judged to be one of our very best, based on the positive accomplishments he achieved during his 22 years as our Prime Minister. Before one judges him, I think one needs to weigh in all of the facts--the good as well as the bad. And as he's been deceased for over half a century, perhaps he should NOT be judged by 21st Century values.
PS: I know this post may provoke a lot of response, but I am not looking to pick a fight--just to offer a different opinion.
-
I am certainly not one to defend racism and anti-semitism, but objectively, one must also consider that William Lyon Mackenzie King was still a product of his times, and his attitudes were very commonplace during the era in which he lived and governed Canada. He is Canada's longest-serving Prime Minister, and has been judged to be one of our very best, based on the positive accomplishments he achieved during his 22 years as our Prime Minister. Before one judges him, I think one needs to weigh in all of the facts--the good as well as the bad. And as he's been deceased for over half a century, perhaps he should NOT be judged by 21st Century values.
PS: I know this post may provoke a lot of response, but I am not looking to pick a fight--just to offer a different opinion.
Actually, even though I may have posted the most harsh comments over the new $50, I do somewhat agree with your thoughts, as King's mind was in the 40s, and he thought in that ear, which involved discrimination, when racism was acceptable, but now we judge King by 21st century standards, which might be rather unfair, However I still stand by my remarks that say King was a racist prime minister, who did many great things, but they couldn't compensate for his despicable actions.
-
I am glad that we do agree. YES he was racist. YES he was an anti-Semite. However... YES he was an accomplished leader. YES he made many positive contributions to Canada and to our history.
From there, I believe it is up to the individual to decide if the good outweighs the bad, or vice-versa. I think much of this comes from who one is, how one feels, and what one thinks, as well as the weight on which one places certain aspects of our history. Weighing everything I know of WLMK, I would say that I believe that the good does outweigh the bad. Am I correct in saying so? Absolutely! Because my belief is my belief. Can the people who disagree also have valid viewpoints? Absolutely! Because all viewpoints are valid!
I must say, I appreciate the opportunity to post an opinion and consider opposing viewpoints without being scolded or told off. This is what I like BEST about posting here!
J
-
You're right, Jason. We should really think that the good, positive things MacKenzie King did for Canada do outweigh the negatives. All the comments people are saying about the new $50 is just "utter nonsense." and people should enjoy the new $50 bill like it is a piece of paper, with the number 50 on it, and can be used to buy things (unless it is "phony"). A lot of Canadians who have a paycheque (or any cheque) to cash who want $100's, some tellers may not have ANY $100's and may have no choice other than to distribute $50's in lieu of $100's to the customer, and they will have to accept the new $50's (or any other $50's that remain legal tender).
I am very confident that the new $50 bill will not be disliked by the majority of Canada's population. They probably won't even realize it. They'll just think of the new $50 as a red piece of paper with the number 50 on it. :D
And that's my 99 cents worth.
Bye 4 now, Jonathan ;)
P.S.: Will anybody on the forum please let me know if you are going to accept the new $50's when they come out?
-
To 99% of people, it's money to spend, lol
-
THE FAMOUS FIVE AND THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS
Together, they are known as the Famous 5, the women who struggled to have women declared "persons" so they could be appointed to the Canadian Senate. Individually, each was a prominent women's leader in her own right. On the following pages, we will meet Emily Murphy, Henrietta Muir Edwards, Louise McKinney, Irene Parlby, and Nellie McClung. We will learn about their private lives, as well as their public involvements and achievements. We will also learn about the major causes of the day, and why they were important.
Female suffrage was achieved in Canada during the lifetime of these women. Each of them worked to gain for women the right to vote, and their efforts were instrumental in changing public perception about women's roles and rights. We will look at the arguments for and against allowing women to vote. We will also look at the groups involved in promoting female suffrage, and how and when and why women were granted the right to vote, and what happened next.
The 'Persons' Case was another landmark victory for women, and it is the achievement for which we commemorate the Famous 5. We will examine the cause for which these women fought, and trace its progress through the early disappointment to the final victory, to the reactions and effects that resulted.
Although achieving female suffrage and winning the 'Persons' Case were highlights of the period, other issues and causes were important to women in Canada during the first half of the 20th century. So, we will also examine the role of Prohibition and the Temperance movement, as well as the agitation for equal pay for equal work. We will also examine the laws surrounding women's property rights, as well as other major causes in the development of the young Dominion of Canada.
FEMALE SUFFRAGE
Between 1914 and 1917, the female suffrage movement experienced rapid success in the four western provinces and in Ontario. This was due to a number of factors:
- The Canadian suffrage movement received both inspiration and strength from the suffrage movements in the United States and Britain.
- Women's associations, many established during the late 19th century, agitated for reform, especially in Ontario and Manitoba.
- Women's political and economic roles increased drastically during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
These factors, combined with the moral and social atmosphere that developed during World War I, the idealism surrounding the war effort, women stepping into positions vacated by servicemen, thus expanding their role, and politicians' growing awareness that their position on female suffrage could swing the vote in an election worked together to speed the process of getting women the vote to its inevitable conclusion.
The men and women who belonged to suffrage societies tended to be members of the Anglo-Saxon, Protestant middle-class. The leaders of these societies generally were highly educated professionals, or leaders of the social gospel movement, and their goal tended to be to preserve the British essence and heritage in Canada. Nevertheless, the suffrage movement in Canada, with its emphasis on the virtues of motherhood and its general interest in strengthening the family, and thereby improving society, appealed to the larger reform movement fermenting within the young Dominion.
Female suffrage was largely seen as a means to an end, not an end in itself. To reformers, female suffrage was a means of achieving other social reforms like prohibition, applied Christianity, child welfare, purity reform, and civic and education reform; to farm and labor groups, woman suffrage was a means of increasing their political clout; and to politicians, adopting the suffrage cause was seen as a means of either getting or keeping political power.
THE 'PERSONS' CASE
Today, with the equal rights of Canadian women ensured by the 1982 Constitution Act, it is difficult to remember that many basic rights were first won only seventy years ago.
Canadian women born before 1929 were generally considered to be "non-persons." Five governments stated that women were ineligible to be appointed to the Senate because they were not "persons." In fact, British Common Law stated they were:
"persons in the matter of pains and penalties, but not in the matter of rights and privileges."
A group of Alberta women - Emily Murphy, Henrietta Muir Edwards, Louise McKinney, Irene Parlby, and Nellie McClung - known as the Famous 5 - worked together to try to improve attitudes towards and conditions for women and to change the interpretation of the Canadian constitution to ensure women could participate in all aspects of public life.
In 1927, the Famous 5 persuaded Prime Minister MacKenzie King to ask the Canadian Supreme Court to clarify the word "persons" under the British North America Act of 1867. When the Canadian court rejected their argument on April 24, 1928, the Famous 5 persuaded the Government of Canada to appeal to the Judicial Committee of the British Privy Council. There, the Famous 5 won and on October 18, 1929, Canadian women were legally declared "persons" and eligible for appointment to the Senate.
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/famous5/achievements/achievements_index.html
-
More from the "Famous Five and their achievements":
PROHIBITION
Prohibition came into effect in Alberta on July 1, 1916 as a result of a plebiscite, making Alberta the first province to enact prohibition. It ended in 1923, also as a result of a plebiscite, thus, the long struggle by temperance groups resulted in a disappointingly short-lived victory.
The issue of liquor control dates to the mid 1800's. By the 1860's and '70's, whiskey trading was destroying Native communities, as well as threatening settlement of the west. Thus, controlling liquor was one of the major purposes for which the Canadian Government formed the Northwest Mounted Police in1873. The first legislation aimed at controlling liquor in the Northwest Territories (of which Alberta was a part until 1905) was included in the Northwest Territories Act of 1875, but it had very little effect. In 1907, shortly after Alberta became a province, a new act controlling the sale of liquor was established, but it too fell short of the total prohibition that anti-liquor groups hoped for.
As early as 1891, liquor control was a major election issue in the Northwest Territories. Prohibition campaigns by women's groups, like the Women's Christian Temperance Union (WCTU), and the United Farm Women of Alberta (UFWA) gathered momentum and increasing political influence during the early twentieth century. In fact, prohibition was one of the major planks in the woman suffrage campaign. Women like Louise McKinney—Superintendent of the Alberta WCTU's Department of Scientific Temperance Instruction (STI), and President of Alberta's WCTU—and Irene Parlby—first President of the United Farm Women's Association—played a significant role in achieving Prohibition in Alberta.
Indeed, it may be argued that in 1917, the first year that women were allowed both to run for political office and to vote in Alberta, Louise McKinney made history as the first woman legislator to be elected in the British Empire largely as a result of her many years of campaigning for prohibition. The Prohibition and Suffrage movements had worked hand in hand, as female suffrage was viewed as necessary for the achievement of Prohibition. Because many of the same people supported both causes, it was only natural that Louise McKinney should earn their vote.
As early as 1904, Calgary MLA R.B. Bennett (future Prime Minister of Canada) realized how valuable the endorsement of prohibitionist women's groups could be. He promised support for WCTU goals, and received an endorsement from them in return. The political influence of the WCTU and the UFWA continued to grow, and their support became increasingly important for politicians in Alberta.
Of course, not everyone supported prohibition.
PROHIBITION: ANTI-PROHIBITION BACKLASH
"From the crusade of a despised minority, a mark for good-natured ridicule rather than fear, the prohibition movement became a vast continental propaganda, backed by unlimited money, engineered by organized hypocrisy. Under the stress of war it masqueraded as the crowning effort of patriotism. The war over, it sits enthroned as a social tyranny, backed by the full force of the law, the like of which has not been seen in English-speaking countries since the fires died out at Smithfield."
—Stephen Leacock
Not everyone was a fan of Prohibition, but by 1919 all nine Canadian provinces had voted themselves dry, and had enacted legislation to enforce Prohibition. The Federal Government had also prohibited all import and transportation of intoxicating liquor by a Federal Order in Council under the War Measures Act. This outraged a certain segment of the population—among whom was Stephen Leacock. As with his views on the feminist movement (see Anti-Feminist Atmosphere), his views on prohibition were exactly opposite those espoused by the Famous 5.
In his 1919 essay entitled "The Tyranny of Prohibition"— written as a tract warning the people of England against the evils of enacting Prohibition—Leacock paints an unflattering view of Prohibitionists, and the motives underlying their activism. In it, he characterizes the the "drys" (prohibitionists) and the "wets" (anti-prohibitionists), and it is easy to see where his sympathies lie.
Among the "drys," he identifies several types:
* The "deeply religious, patriotic, and estimable people" who sincerely believe that enacting prohibition is "God's work"
* Those who "desire to tyrannize and compel—to force the souls of other men to compliance with the narrow rigor of their own"
* "Salaried enthusiasts, paid informers, the politicians seeking for votes"
* "Ministers of the Gospel currying favor with the dominant section of their congregation"
* "Business men and proprietors of newspapers whose profit lies in the hands of the prohibitionists to make or mar"
* "The whole cohort of drunkards who can be relied upon to poll a vote in favor of prohibition in a mood of sentimental remorse"
In comparison, he portrays the "wets" as:
* Scholarly, industrious men on faculty at the university
* Many of Montreal's leading lawyers and doctors
* Painters, artists, and literary men
* Some members of the clergy "in days more cheerful than the present"
Leacock blamed war-time idealism for the success of prohibition. In the atmosphere of national solidarity, individual self-sacrifice, and moral reform that pervaded society during World War I ( 1914-1918 ), prohibition seemed to be a natural fit. He also blamed opportunistic politicians, who, recognizing the power wielded by women's groups, viewed prohibition as a means of getting the women's vote.
Though Leacock hated Prohibition, in his clear-eyed cynicism, he realized something that the Nellie McClungs and Louise McKinneys and Irene Parlbys of the prohibition movement did not:, prohibition was doomed to fail.
<<END OF ARTICLE>>
If you want to know more about the achievements of the Famous Five, go to...
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/famous5/achievements/prohibition.html
I hope this posting and the last posting will be helpful in learning about all the positive things the Famous Five have done for Canadians, and hopefully the new $50 bill will be enjoyable by many Canadians.
Later, Jonathan
-
Is the 2004-$50 still to be unveilled Wednesday October 13 or has that been changed?
-
As far as I know there have been no change in plans for the unveiling or release date of the Journey $50.
-
Is it not wonderful that in todays politically correct stupidity we can look back on history and pick and choose who the "bad guys" are.
Lets then state that EVERYONE who ever lived prior to oct 3, 2004 was a horrible racist who doesn't deserve any of our respect,,acknowledgment..or give any of them any honour at all...only those currently alive and being very politically correct are honourable and acceptable.
History has a way of looking at events that is suppossed to be open honest and (heres the thought) IN CONTECT TO ITS TIME!!!
We do not vilify all Italians for the crucifiction of JC now do we?
ALL Germans are no longer held responsible for Hitler.
All Russians are not part of the Katian Forest...are they?
All VIKINGS are not hated by the English?
Are the iconoclastic and very homogenious Japanese still hated for Singapore, the Batan Death March?
Do we as "white" conquistadors still feel shame for the slaughter of the native american populations?
were these events despicable.yes. indeed they were...but for the "time" they happened (with certain exceptions) history must be taken in the context of its time and the practices of the era.
To impose our so called moralistic and oh so politically correct views on the past..is not only laughable but (now heres the bad bad word) STUPID!!!
-
Right on steve11. Plus when we re-write history by todays standards....how are furture generations to learn from the mistakes of the past. We turn villians into hero's and punish hero's today from history. A remarkable society that we live in now. We have begun to revise and gloss over so many important things that as a society made us stronger and I believe better as a nation. In being politically correct we are afraid to speak our minds and see the truth as it was and as it is so as not to offend some group or other. Oh well...what a pity.... you say only in canada eh???
-
Bravo to Steve11 and to freedomschoice! I agree wholeheartedly with you both--history can only be judged in the context in which it took place. To borrow a quote from a film I saw: "Nobody thinks that they're a bad person." Each individual, whether we believe them to be good or bad, acted according to his or her beliefs, which in each case were shaped by the world and the times in which he or she lived.
When 2004 is viewed in the context of history by those who have the perspective of several decades in the future... will they be able to say better than we can who was right and who was wrong?
-
DO not get me wrong. THere have been and continue to be psychopaths and sociopaths in charge of both countries; institutions, etc. By way of example.. Sadam, Khadaffi, Moa Tse Tung, Schwartzkopf, Patton, Hitler, to an extent Bill Gates and Donald Trump.
What do they have in common? A desire to have things go their way and be damned to either the consequences or effects on anyone other than themselves.
Not necessairily a bad thing; when one is on the winning side..but can be horendous when on the loosing side.
All "Great People" are for better or worse total mental jerks LOL..they have to be.. or they wouldn't be great.
What we judge to be correct today; most of us would hafe our heads chopped from our bodies without thought 1000 years ago...500 years ago..and we would most assuradly be put into an assylum for the insane up to 100 years ago in the past.
History is simply that...history....pre/post judgment of events...is stupid...
Chairman Moa...force marched across China an army of 10s of thousands...killing thousands on his way to greater glory...he's a wicked person for doing this..a truly horrible person for forcing all those people to die for his dream...or is he? I dunno..at the time he had a choice..stay and die..or leave and die slowly,,with the chance to win....
anyway..enough of this...we will have the new 50..no matter how Politically Correct it is or it isn't...and I will never have one..other than as a radar .. so..thats that.
-
DO not get me wrong. THere have been and continue to be psychopaths and sociopaths in charge of both countries; institutions, etc. By way of example.. Sadam, Khadaffi, Moa Tse Tung, Schwartzkopf, Patton, Hitler, to an extent Bill Gates and Donald Trump.
Add Castro and Kim Jong Il to that list.
-
Since the theme of the $50 note is "Nation Building", I really think they should have put some Canadian Railroad construction workers on the reverse. Many of the workers were from East Asian countries and were subjected to extremely harsh working conditions as the railroad was built during the 1800s. And their descendants didn't even get to vote until 1948!
Considering that the Railroad was so important to the growing Dominion, and that these labourers don't seem to get much credit (other than that one Heritage Minute commercial), the least we could do is commemorate them on the $50 bill. As is, the new notes are hardly representative of the many different cultures that helped build Canada.
Thoughts?
-
I feel the new $50 should have images of Canada being developed, everything from showing building of railway, people at work, and the diversity of people in this country which helped build it. Not putting 5 figures who were against that. If this were done, the Journey series would be perfect, we have a Canadian pastime on the $5, rememberance of our heros on the $10, a depiction of native art on the $20, and a map of Canada on the $100. If the $50 showed what I said above, it would be a true "Canadian Journey".
-
Well, with the $50 unveiling only three days away, do any of ye have some final feedback over the previous postings on this thread relating to the Famous Five? How come nobody mentioned anything about Therese Casgrain? ???
Jonathan ;)
-
The following items are some useful information about Therese Casgrain. Sources of these articles are unknown:
Politics: Thérèse Casgrain
Thérèse Casgrain entered the public sphere during the federal election of 1921 when she conducted a highly successful campaign for her husband who was prevented from doing so by illness. She became sole president of the Provincial Franchise Committee (later, the League for Women's Rights) in 1928--a position she held for 14 years. In November 1929 she appeared before the Dorion Commission which had been set up to look into such things as: a woman's right to her own earnings, the right to bring law suits without her husband's consent, etc. One of the main obstacles to winning suffrage in Quebec was the lack of support from rural French women. She was able to reach many of them through her radio program, "Femina," which was broadcast over French and English networks, and by speaking at conventions.
Following the war and the final achievement of the vote in 1940 she continued faithfully to press for child protection laws, prison reform, government appointments for women and amendments to the civil code. She became vice-president of the National Federation of Liberal Women and in 1948 resigned to join the CCF Party. She soon became vice-chairperson of the national CCF executive and in 1951 was chosen Quebec Social Democratic Party leader, which she held until 1957--the first woman party leader anywhere in Canada.
When the NDP succeeded the CCF in 1961 Casgrain continued her active support, holding the position of national vice-chairperson. "I can't imagine a woman who has the best interest of her children at heart not taking an interest in politics," she said.
"I am convinced that until we have more women in politics--openly, flagrantly and unashamedly committed to the struggle for the liberation of woman and determined to change traditional power politics to make it more responsive to the dispossessed of this earth--we as women are doomed to many more years of oppression and exploitation."
(Rosemary Brown, 1977).
http://library.usask.ca/herstory/casgrain.html
<<END OF THIS ARTICLE>>
Here is some more information about Therese Casgrain:
Thérèse Forget was born in a comfortable middle-class family in Montreal. At the age of 19, she married Pierre Casgrain who was a federal Member of Parliament from 1917 to 1941. Despite her active family life, she became involved in the country's social and political life at the beginning of the 1920s. A founding member of the Provincial Committee for Women's Suffrage in 1921, she campaigned tirelessly for the social, political and economic rights of women. Her struggles profoundly marked the feminist movement in Quebec.
In 1926, she founded the Ligue de la feunesse féminine, participated in the foundation of the Fédération des oeuvres de charité candienne-française and established the Montreal Symphony Concerts Society. In 1928, she led an arduous battle against the clergy and the political elite of the time, under the leadership of Henri Bourassa, for the legal rights of women and to obtain the right to vote for women in provincial elections. That objective was realized in 1940 when the Liberal government of Adélard Godbout came to power. During the 1930s she became a journalist and presented a broadcast series called Fémina on Radio-Canada. During the Second World War, she was one of the two Presidents of the Women's Surveillance Committee for the Wartime Prices and Trade Board. In 1942, she spoke out against conscription and campaigned as an independent Liberal candidate in the federal elections. In 1946, she joined the CCF (the ancestor of the New Democratic Party), which was closer to her political ideals. She became President of the Quebec wing of that party and ran a number of times as candidate in the provincial elections without being elected. In the 1940s, she took part in the international meetings of socialist parties and fought beside intellectuals and trade unionists against the government of Maurice Duplessis. In 1962, she became President of the Voice of Women, a movement protesting the proliferation of nuclear arms, and in 1966, she founded the Fédérations des femmes du Québec. She took part in organizing aid for Vietnam war victims and was a three-time President of the League for Human Rights.
In 1970, she was appointed to the Senate of Canada, but she had to retire the following year because she had reached the age of 75. She continued, nonetheless, to fight to promote the rights of Amerindiens, for the abolition of mandatory retirement at 65 and to improve the lot of seniors. A holder of 11 honorary doctorates, the title of Grande Montréalaise in 1980 and numerous prestigious distinctions, Thérèse Casgrain, the Canadian activist woman of the century, died at 85, on November 3, 1981. In 1982, the Government of Canada created the Thérèse Casgrain Award to emphasize and extend the work of this eminent Canadian. In 1985, the Canada Post Corporation issued a stamp in her honour to commemorate the end of the United Nations Decade for Women.
http://edimage.ca/edimage/grandspersonnages/en/carte_v06.html
<<END OF ARTICLE>>
-
Here is yet another article about Casgrain, taken from Webster-dictionary.org:
Marie Thérèse Forget Casgrain (July 10, 1896 - November 2, 1981) was a Canadian feminist, reformer and politician.
Thérèse Casgrain was raised in a wealthy family, the daughter of Lady Blanche MacDonald and Sir Rodolphe Forget. She married Pierre-François Casgrain, a Liberal politician with whom she raised four children.
Casgrain led the women's suffrage movement in Quebec prior to World War I. She founded the Provincial Franchise Committee in 1921 and campaigned for women's rights and for the right to vote in Quebec elections, a right that was not won until 1940. From 1928 to 1942 she was the leader of the League for Women's Rights. In the 1930s she hosted a popular radio show "Fémina."
In the 1942 federal by-election she was the Independent Liberal candidate in the Charlevoix-Saguenay riding, the same seat formerly held both by her father and by her husband.
Following World War II she left the Liberal Party and joined the Cooperative Commonwealth Federation. In 1948 she became one of the federal vice presidents of the CCF. She led the Quebec wing of the party, the Parti social démocratique du Québec, from 1951 to 1957 through three provincial elections using her position as a platform to campaign against the government of Maurice Duplessis. In the 1960s she became a campaigner against nuclear weapons founding the Quebec wing of Voice of Women. She also was a founder of the League for Human Rights and the Fédération des femmes du Québec. In the 1960s, she was president of the Quebec wing of the New Democratic Party, the CCF's successor.
In recognition of her achievements, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau appointed Casgrain to the Canadian Senate where she sat as an Independent for nine months before reaching the mandatory retirement age of 75.
http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Th%E9r%E8se%20Casgrain
<<END OF ARTICLE>>
I hope this information about Therese Casgrain will be very helpful to all Canadians before the new $50 note is unveiled this Wednesday.
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Jonathan
-
On Oct 4th, 2004, 5:15pm, Slugboy wrote:
Since the theme of the $50 note is "Nation Building", I really think they should have put some Canadian Railroad construction workers on the reverse. Many of the workers were from East Asian countries and were subjected to extremely harsh working conditions as the railroad was built during the 1800s. And their descendants didn't even get to vote until 1948!
Considering that the Railroad was so important to the growing Dominion, and that these labourers don't seem to get much credit (other than that one Heritage Minute commercial), the least we could do is commemorate them on the $50 bill. As is, the new notes are hardly representative of the many different cultures that helped build Canada.
If the development of the railway should be depicted on the new $50 note, shouldn't Sir John A. MacDonald's portrait grace the front of our $50 note instead of on our tens, since MacDonald helped develop the railway? ;D
Later, Jonathan :)
-
...or shouldn't the development of the railway have been depicted on our $10's with Sir John A. MacDonald? ;D
Enjoy your Thanksgiving (burp!) ::)
Later, Jonathan
-
Jonathan, this isn't a knock on you, but you've been told to stop replying to your own posts.
-
Thérèse Casgrain was raised in a wealthy family, the daughter of Lady Blanche MacDonald and Sir Rodolphe Forget.
Very interesting! Rudolphe Forget was President of Banque Internationale du Canada, a chartered bank which operated briefly from 1911 to 1913, when it was absorbed by the Home Bank of Canada. His portrait is on each of the bank's three denominations. The notes are terribly rare and valuable. And no, I don't have any, and never did, unfortunately.
(I can't think of any other examples of father and daughter portrayed on Canadian bank notes, although an example of father and son comes quickly to mind.)
-
I hear you Marc.He did the same thing with his postings about the new $20.00 notes and now the $50.00 notes >:(.Thank God after the $50.00 notes there wont be any new notes for awhile,but I'm sure he'll being doing it in other threads he posts >:(.
Randy
-
I highly doubt it, Marc and Randy. After the new $50 is released (or even unveiled), I will try not to answer my own posts in the future. I just couldn't help myself :-[.
It's just that I had information about Therese Casgrain that I had copied and pasted from other sites, and all that, I could have put on one posting AND one posting ONLY.
Well, I feel so embarrassed about this, and I will try to keep it cool from now on - it's just the excitement over the unveilings and releases that are happening over the next few weeks. :-[
Can't we possibly wait until the new $50 gets unveiled before we discuss this even further? :-[
Thanks, from Jonathan :)
-
And this is a papermoney forum... not a history forum! You are doing way to many postings which relate to the same topic... talk about something new instead of replying 5 times to your posting.
-
Okay. The topic can now be closed. :-X
Let's talk Canadian banknotes and not history. :)