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General => Banknote Grading Standards and TPG => Topic started by: friedsquid on January 27, 2008, 06:59:32 pm
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ROTATOR "9010106" BANK OF CANADA $5 2002 " PMG 66 "UNC Item number: 230214704417
Asking $999.00 and PMG comments ...Rotator serial number
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This is just absurd. It is another clear example of PMG's gross incompetence. I could probably send in a highly crinkled note with serial number 5318645 and say it's a radar and they'd put that and UNC-63 on their holder!
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What I think is worse than PMG is the dealer selling it as a rotator ???
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Aside from PMG's obvious mistake, the seller is contradicting themselves because they advertise the item as a rotator, yet they have an image of Charlton's definition of a rotator, which clearly states that "digits must be 0, 6, 8 or 9." ::)
I had a radar note graded by PMG. I was upset that "Radar Note" was not noted on the PMG certificate. >:(
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I had a radar note graded by PMG. I was upset that "Radar Note" was not noted on the PMG certificate.
From personal experience it seems that if you write down a description or comment when you submit the note it gets place on the card....if not you lose.
You would think that they would do it automatically...I guess not
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It was explicitly noted that it was a radar note and it still didn't make it on the PMG certificate.
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This should be one of those incidence(s) where we as forum members should report to Ebay that the product is MISREPRESENTED. If possible report to PMG themselves of their error. With persistence enough to report such products Ebay will have to think twice about allowing PMG listings. In the meantime we could do business with those that Grade with reliable accuracy.
PD
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This is just absurd. It is another clear example of PMG's gross incompetence. I could probably send in a highly crinkled note with serial number 5318645 and say it's a radar and they'd put that and UNC-63 on their holder!
Brent, 531865 is not a radar?
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Brent is saying that PMG will put whatever you ask on the holder without verifying it, or knowing what radar means.
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It is NOT a rotator. PMG can't grade either.
Rick
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Brent is saying that PMG will put whatever you ask on the holder without verifying it, or knowing what radar means
Great !If that's the case, I have a bunch of notes to send them.
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I understand that many people seem critical of PMG grading, but if you take into consideration the actual quantity of notes that they grade, is the number of notes that people find fault with only a Minuit portion?
I'm sure time will tell when other TPG's start to grade more notes...how many in proportion will be criticised???
FRIEDSQUID
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Yeah mon, but its way too obvious an error from people who are supposed to be very professional. Da seller should ask for his money back.
From da questions regarding dis item, dis seller seems to not understand da concept of Rotators. I can understand that he is offering a Graded note for sale, fine, but continues to use da word Rotator on his Title and Description. Suggested teeny wording, and I know Calimari mon will cringe on da creative wording, "Almost Rotator", "Near Rotator", "Potato Rotato", "Rot1a1tor" or wad ever. I can live wit dat. Besides much of products I tink his price is a teeny high.
;D
Tink happy tots
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After writing to the seller this was their reply
i dint grade it as a rotator
1 am advertising the graded note- banknotegallery[/font]
So if a seller obviously knows that he is falsely advertising a note, but doesn't care ......what does this say about his integrity ???
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This is just absurd. It is another clear example of PMG's gross incompetence . . . . .
PMG and the other American TPG companies should stick with what they know best, i.e., US currency, and they should not interfere with the Canadian and World markets by imposing laxer US grading standards on non-US notes. Canadian and International grading standards have traditionally been much tighter than the prevailing US standards. The paper fabric of post-1860 US notes is much different from that employed on Canadian and World notes and this fact may explain, at least in part, why PMG tends to overgrade Canadian and World notes by at least half a grade.
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I see that the seller has removed Charltons definition of what a rotator note really is, but still advertises it as a rotator. Boy that sure fooled me ;D
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I see that the seller has removed Charltons definition of what a rotator note really is, but still advertises it as a rotator. Boy that sure fooled me ;D
This is obviously a new type of Rotator, i.e. a "PMG Rotator" (not a Charlton Rotator), and who are we to question the final judgment of what many people regard to be the most "respected" third-party paper money grading company in the entire world? LOL!!
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Hey Ottawa, dat sounds like a perfect description for it.
This is obviously a new type of Rotator, i.e. a "PMG Rotator" (not a Charlton Rotator), and who are we to question the final judgment of what many people regard to be the most "respected" third-party paper money grading company in the entire world? LOL!!
By da way, Polarbear sold his AOT 8801088 PMG Rotator or Rot1tor. Could it eventually show up on dat Seller's Ebay store one day? ;)
Taking me happy pills now
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By da way, Polarbear sold his AOT 8801088 PMG Rotator or Rot1tor. Could it eventually show up on dat Seller's Ebay store one day?
Taking me happy pills now
HEY MON, a good eye ya got, but it is I who bought it. 8)
I bought it for a test.......The results to be posted when it returns.
PMG Rotating Radar...And if it isn't a Choice Unc like polar says it is.....
He will be rotating on it :o
FRIEDSQUID
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I agree mon, We can compare what PMG sez and den what BCS sez den take an average, list da note on Ebay for $986.
If you're right den I could send in my BTK 8806088 at east it has da right numbers Squid mon.
Tink happy tots sez my Dr Shrink
Perhaps we should make a poll and have the forum members understand what a Rotator really is?
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Cleaning up the thread before someone says something inappropriate :o
I'm looking at you two, polarbear and friedsquid! ;D
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Hey Brent. It was all Friedsquids fault. He accidently ate cuttlefish instead of squid. He was hallucinating :o
Polarbear
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No Look at me Brent mon,
Mama Jamaica sez, "You are what you smoke mon."
And I sez "Tanks for da special spice prescription Mama."
I found dis matching note to dis one, Bank of Canada 1973 Item number: 350024554273
I sez Holy Moley! Same serial number, another PMG product and again dey are wrong...by dey are consistent.
Tink happy tots. :)
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PMG and the other American TPG companies should stick with what they know best, i.e., US currency, and they should not interfere with the Canadian and World markets by imposing laxer US grading standards on non-US notes. Canadian and International grading standards have traditionally been much tighter than the prevailing US standards. The paper fabric of post-1860 US notes is much different from that employed on Canadian and World notes and this fact may explain, at least in part, why PMG tends to overgrade Canadian and World notes by at least half a grade.
Here's another one using ones on Ebay; item 220208321588 ASF 1011101. A very nice literal Binary radar.
I have not browsed in many US banknote sites, so could we assume that the inclusion of the One is within the American definition of a Rotator and not the Charlton. If so, do American collectors have a explicit definition of Rotator in their own community? That can explain part of the confusion.
Dei Gratia
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This is not a rotator note but it is also not a Beattie/ Coyne replacement note either.
PMG really has no clue. Ebay item number 120232216183.
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and also their label stipule *A/A0125440 when it's really *A/A0215440......
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This is not a rotator note but it is also not a Beattie/ Coyne replacement note either.
PMG really has no clue. Ebay item number 120232216183.
Now this is even funnier. I asked the seller of this note about the discrepancy and this was his answer
Our explanation.... it's a RARE PMG Error![/quote]
So now ....Do you think there will soon be a market for "PMG ERROR NOTES" ;D
FRIEDSQUID
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This is the question asked about this note and there answer.
Q: Do you realize that your PMG holder does not coincide with the actually note in the holder. The first thing is that the serial numbers do not match and secondly neither to the signatures. Do you have an explanation please THX
A: Our explanation.... it's a RARE PMG Error!
So I'm guessing that they are saying it is worth more because of this RARE packaging error?
I see that there was a response while I was typing but I'm not wasting my typing effort.
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Thanks Gary, it was I that asked them that question...and I probably should have shown the exact question I did ask....so thanks ...and no your typing efforts were not wasted ;D
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This is the question asked about this note and there answer.
So I'm guessing that they are saying it is worth more because of this RARE packaging error?
I see that there was a response while I was typing but I'm not wasting my typing effort.
On the contrary, PMG has demonstrated many errors in the past. It's their properly graded notes that are becoming rarer. ;)
PD