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Special => Error Notes => Topic started by: arjay on June 08, 2004, 02:34:15 pm

Title: $5 serial number on front
Post by: arjay on June 08, 2004, 02:34:15 pm
Picked up this $5 at work.  The serial number is mirror reverse of normal number on back. It's too strong to be a "bleed through." Maybe during serial number overprinting there was no sheet present, resulting in a "die clash?"

The bill has been heavily circulated - many folds and a tear at top middle. Why it wasn't pulled by now is rather amazing, but I'm glad it wasn't.
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: BWJM on June 08, 2004, 03:58:25 pm
Is it possible for you to post a scan of both sides (front and back) of the serial number area?
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: arjay on June 08, 2004, 04:22:34 pm
I tried posting a scan twice. As you can see, it didn't work.
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: arjay on June 08, 2004, 04:44:27 pm
Okay, what am I doing wrong? Why does it keep saying attachment deleted?
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: Gary_T on June 08, 2004, 05:41:34 pm
I think it's not working because there is a $ symbol in your title.
  Try something like 5_error_F.jpg
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: arjay on June 09, 2004, 01:44:01 pm
4th try
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: arjay on June 09, 2004, 01:45:20 pm
It worked!
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: BWJM on June 09, 2004, 03:26:44 pm
I'm going to play the role of the skeptic for a moment...

The numbers on the front don't appear crisp enough to be legit... I'm wondering if it's possible that someone with a patient hand and a fine-tip marker was hard at work.
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: eyevet on June 09, 2004, 03:43:09 pm
If it were an offset error, wouldn't the serial number be different as it would come from the sheet in front???
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: Tom on June 09, 2004, 04:02:06 pm
Not necessarily.  If there was enough ink on the mat, it would be picked up by what ever the number is being printed.  I do agree however that the letters and numbers are a little crude.

Tom
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: arjay on June 09, 2004, 04:06:53 pm
That is certainly a possibility, and one which I have considered. The numbers line up perfectly, and on the scan you can see differences between front and back in thickness in various areas.

If so, it was someone with a steadier hand than I've got. And it is still an interesting conversation piece for $5.00.
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: arjay on June 10, 2004, 01:58:51 pm
Are the barcodes added at the same time as the serial numbers?  If so, that would mean this is definitely a homemade job.
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: Tom on June 10, 2004, 03:44:52 pm
I have not had a chance to see many Journey error notes, but the bird series bar codes are added separatly, and first before anything else.  Most likely the same with the Journey notes though.

Tom
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: canada-hongkong on June 10, 2004, 06:08:07 pm
No, barcodes are added separately, since on the news, when I see video of notes being printed and fed into machines, the barcodes are already there.
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: Tom on June 10, 2004, 07:53:03 pm
Umm....  I think that is what I just said.   :-/
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: kobecurrency on June 13, 2004, 07:54:34 am
On June 10th, Tom wrote
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I have not had a chance to see many Journey error notes, but the bird series bar codes are added separatly, and first before anything else.  Most likely the same with the Journey notes though

Here's a pair of EJBs, the lower note has the whole thing (S/Ns & Bar Codes) shifted about 2 digits to the right when compared to the one above. This indicates to me that both S/Ns & Bar Codes were printed together at the same time!?
{http://members.shaw.ca/ekong/kobecurrency/EJB%20-%20Shift%20printing}

Whereas the set of Bird $5 below all have their S/Ns shifted in a certain degree (some more than the others) to the right, yet the Bar Codes remained quite station. Another prove that they may not be printed at the same time!?
{http://members.shaw.ca/ekong/kobecurrency/GNS-Shifting%20Nos..jpg}

Please correct me if I am wrong, Tom.
Title: Re: $5 serial number on front
Post by: Gary_W on August 01, 2004, 10:14:25 pm
This example found in circulation isn't as strong as the note posted by arjay but the serial numbers are still clearly visible on the front. The bar codes don't show through which supports the idea that they are added seperatly. How common is this bleed through?
Gary