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Canadian Notes => Early Canadian Notes => Topic started by: Bernard_Schaaf on December 28, 2007, 10:11:43 pm
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Dear Friends:
My ancient Charlton catalogue lists color schemes for these notes which do not match with the images which I have been able to find. I suspect this may be because proof notes were not always printed in the same color(s) which were finally selected for use on notes printed for circulation.
RE the 1902 $20: Charlton said (in 1980) that this note had a "blue" obverse frame and a "red-orange" reverse, whereas the one image of a circu-lation note which I have found has a black (not blue) obverse frame and a green (not red-orange) reverse. Anybody out there have one of these?
RE the 1902 and 1907 $50's: Charlton said these had black obverse frame and "carmine" reverse, and implies that these were the colors for both the 1902 and the 1907 issues. I have an image of a 1907 note, which does indeed have a black obverse frame but a green (not carmine) reverse. So what was the color of the 1902 reverse: carmine or green??
RE the 1902 and 1907 $100's: Charlton said 1902 issue had a "blue"
obverse frame and an "ochre" reverse, but the 1907 issue had a "black" obverse frame and a "blue" reverse." The one image I have found is of the 1907 issue and does indeed have the black obverse frame and the blue reverse, as described by Charlton. So the question then is: what were the true colors of the 1902 $100's which circulated?? Were they really different from the 1907 colors??
My thanks to you all for your continuing assistance. I hope to have volumes I and II (of III planned) of my color atlas available for viewing at the Memphis Paper Money Show next summer. Happy 2008 to all.
Bernard Schaaf, MD
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Is there any likelihood that your "Color Atlas" of Canadian currency will be permanently posted somewhere on the Internet?
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A lot of Waterlow "specimens" were printed in unauthorized colours to illustrate the kind of work the printing company did. These were not ordered by the bank named on the notes, and some authorities question whether they should be called specimens at all. They definitely are not colour trials. These off-colour promotional Waterlow specimens exist for a lot of the notes that company did for Canadian banks in the early 1900s. This is explained on page 51 of the 5th edition.
The back of the issued $20 is known to be green.
The off-colour $20 sold last fall was one such Waterlow specimen. I doubt very much that the Imperial Bank would have changed the colours of its double size notes from the 1902 to the 1907 issue; surviving issued notes are largely extinct and these Waterlow specimens have muddied the water a good deal so far as the true issued colours are concerned.
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Dear Bob: Once again, thank you for the help. This is not the first time I have run into confusion about whether the colors used on specimen or proof notes were the same as the colors eventually used on issued notes.
Dear Ottawa: You ask an excellent question, and one which I am not yet able to answer. My problem is that I am accumulating images from any-where I can: from books, from the Internet, from E-bay, from the Bank of Canada, from the Forum, without regard to such items as copyrights, owner privacy, etc., this because this album was originally intended for me and my Canadian daughters alone, plus one extra copy for an old friend (viewable at Memphis Paper Money Show each summer). I must tell you that my solicitations to the Forum have yielded much helpful information and advice from several collectors but almost no images of rare notes. I have always wondered if some collectors may be holding back images of their rarest notes from me because they fear that I will indeed publish them without authorization or without proper credit. During my days as an active collector I owned four or five US "star" (replacement) bank- notes which were each unique, and I was always happy to allow photographs for publications, books, etc., but I do understand that some other collectors may prefer to withhold images of their rarest notes. The only incentive which I can offer to encourage contribution of hig-res images of rare notes to me is to offer to trade other images of other rare notes, either Canadian or US, but without regard to copyrights or to owner's privacy; so far I have had no such requests from anyone. I understand that there is a full-color atlas of USA currency, but I have not seen it and I do not know if it includes every single note or if it has images of all reverses, but I am not aware that there is any such full-color fronts-and-backs atlas of Canada other then my own (my volume on Canada Government Currency is complete and was available for viewing at 2007 Memphis show, but my understanding from my friend there is that there was almost no interest in it).
I had thought of the idea of posting on the Forum a list of those Chartered images which I still need, with the idea that this might shake loose a few images from the Forum members. I am now working in the M's, so such a list would now include some thirty or so images. And I am even now still willing to provide my images of rare notes in exchange for images which I still lack (as mentioned earlier, the one I most crave is the CBC 1887 $10).
If the Forum could reassure me about the question of legality of my posting a few selected images, I could be persuaded to submit some (this assuming I can figure out how to "upload" and "send" such images---I think my daughters can show me how to do this). Is there any particular image in the A-M
banks which you would specially like to see??
Happy New To All---- Bernard Schaaf MD
Former member and director SPMC, IBNS