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Canadian Notes => Polymer Series => Topic started by: Seth on November 14, 2011, 04:42:02 pm
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i picked up ten of them today from Scotiabank main commercial branch in downtown Vancouver. Very nice looking notes.
EKB6998876-80
EKB6998893, 95-98
All of them have FP and BP 22.
No "Printed in" year appears on the notes.
When can we enter them into the SNDB? The SNDB still says it's only for Journey series notes.
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The SNDB should be ready to accept these notes within a day or two - Please be patient and keep your serial numbers and position numbers handy!
The lack of a printed in year is a slight complication. Is there an issue date on the notes?
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yes 2011
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I started searching for them at 8 this morning. None of the main branches on Bay St. had them.
Decided to go to class, then realized the MaRS centre was just down the street. Saw the BoC had all their stuff setup, and decided to try my luck at the RBC branch there. They told me they had them, but would only release them after the official ceremony. So I went and grabbed lunch, and went back to the MaRS centre to watch the ceremony. Got a pretty decent view even though I didn't have a pass. The BoC had a pretty cool stand showing the bills submerged in a variety of substances, and had shreds, as well as the notes in their recycled pellet state on show.
I saw a BoC rep with an EKZ prefix one, while the others on display were EKAs.
At 1:30, I got these from the MaRS RBC branch.
EKC8288593 FP/BP 42
EKC8384860-63 FP/BP 35
Then down the street at University/Dundas RBC:
EKC8433178-97 FP/BP 22
Scotia Plaza:
EKB1272747-48 FP/BP 27
EKB1416501-03 FP/BP 07
EKB1432813 FP/BP 09
Royal Bank Plaza:
EKC8576404 FP/BP 02
Just stunning notes in person. One of the best uses of the transparent features of polymer to date IMO. It didn't take a banknote geek like me to get giddy over them, my friends and colleagues who I showed it to shared the same kind of excitement seeing them for the first time. I also spent one at dinner and for the first time, I've actually seen a cashier happy to take a $100 bill!
EDIT: On a side note, I wonder how the grading standards for this bill will be. All of the notes in my possession have some kind of scratches or scuffs on the holographic part of the plastic.
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Interesting how all of the FP and BP numbers match on each note so far!
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The Serial Number Database is now able to accept notes from the new Frontiers series! Please enter them the same as you normally would any other note.
The main page has been reformatted slightly to accommodate the new series.
Please note that the SNDB may have to adapt in the next few days or weeks as we discover more about the new notes.
THANK YOU to CA_Banknotes for diligently obtaining a variety of notes and reporting their details. I have added your notes and Seth's notes to the SNDB and they have been each credited to you.
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My Notes
EKB 7725305 FP/BP 23
EKC 8384868 FP/BP 27
EKC 8408268-74 FP/BP 38
EKC 8504542 FP/BP 12
EKD 1727166-73 FP/BP 19
EKZ 9575993-4 FP/BP 09
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anyone go through any consecutives to see if there are replacements?
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Could not get a bundle :(
The Banks would only give out a few notes, as their supply is limited for the first few days
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cool, ill check mine when it comes in.
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The holographic images are wonderful, but I guess the days of George Gundersen and Gordon Yorke are long gone as there's not much intaglio printing on it, is there?
Anyone get to see the invisible numbers in the maple leaf yet? The office has only florescent lights and I couldn't see them. (Or maybe a trip to the optometrist is in order???)
John
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I got my first batch of new $100s this afternoon... I think the notes are great and I'm happy to have them, but my main complaint is that the Bank could have done more with the note... There are lots of areas where the note is essentially blank. The back also gives me the impression that the various design elements are just "clip art" and not part integrated into a single, cohesive design.
The big maple leaf with the hidden numbers so far is a bust. I acknowledge that I haven't used a proper single-point light source, but there's not even a hint of anything going on there so far.
I've designated one of my notes as a sacrificial "touch it, feel it, wreck it" note that can be passed around and played with. So far, coworkers have tried tearing it, crumpling it, etc. Nobody has succeeded in ripping into it yet, but it's showing its scars! The intaglio ink seems easy to rub off, so I assume that in no time we'll be seeing some extreme examples of this.
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The the hidden number feature in the maple leaf works best in a darker setting. Have a look through it if you're a passenger in a car going through a city at night.
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CTV's Notes
EKA 5665917
http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/tl/photo.html?pname=http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20111114/800_new_100_plastic_bill_cp_111114.jpg&win_width=995.0&description
Martine Warren, a scientific adviser for the Bank of Canada has a close look at the bank's new circulating $100 bill, Canada's first polymer bank note, in Toronto on Monday Nov. 14, 2011. (Nathan Denette / THE CANADIAN PRESS)
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Not sure if it's my scanner (Brother model printer/copier/scanner), but it just will not scan one of these bills. It stops the scanning process whenever it gets to the clear part of the bill each and every time! Curious if anyone else's scanner is doing the same thing. Security feature?
Very nice bills though!
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My Notes:
EKD 1816597 to 1816614
Five of my notes have a small "ink error"
http://imageshack.us/f/546/scan0001hi.jpg/
*Look to the left of the person's sleeve on the note
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Well I guess that answers that.. Looks like you had no problems scanning that bill HemiCuda
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I had no problems. My scanner is a few years old so I guess it doesn't have the program on it that stops you from scanning new bank notes.
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just got some new notes today and here are a few details
when the note goes through the counter that is supposedly "polymer ready" it leaves scape marks on the notes where the window is. Very noticeable. Also there is a mark where the notes are run through. will show a picture later to show you.
More to follow. If you want another tidbit I found, email me at polar888ca(at)yahoo(dot)ca
cheers
Polarbear
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When the note goes through the counter that is supposedly "polymer ready" it leaves scape marks on the notes where the window is.
My notes have these as well, I assumed it was from the printing process.
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look on the bottom or top of the notes near the middle. Does it have little lines through them about an eighth of an inch. That was from the counter. i was lucky to get some that were not through the counter and are crisp and clean windows.
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I'm thinking the BoC might have some work to do on these notes. The polymer holograms scratch off too easily, running them through a counter seems to scratch the hologram all the way through. One teller I encountered ran them through 5 or 6 times and like 15% of the holographic material has been scratched off
The intaglio seems to rub off way too easily. It's nowhere near as thick and pronounced as the intaglio on Australian and most other polymer notes I have.
And the maple leaf window feature is a definite flop. I asked the BoC rep how to check the feature and she recommended using the flashlight on an iPhone 4. Spent an hour testing different lights and couldn't find it. What's the point of a security feature if it can't be easily checked?
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On a side note, I got my first bundle from a small RBC branch downtown. The girl was in a good mood and they has lots for such a small branch. She laughed and shared my disgust that the main branch was still limiting people to 1 note (as of 1PM this afternoon.)
What's also odd about this issue is that I'm getting jumbled up notes (i.e. non consecutive) everywhere. Even the bundle I have with a BoC wrapper isn't fully consecutive, but the ranges are so close that the deviating notes can't be inserts.
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look on the bottom or top of the notes near the middle. Does it have little lines through them about an eighth of an inch.
The notes do not have any lines at the bottom.
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I am not seeing anything with my black light on these notes. Anyone else?
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Not sure if it's my scanner (Brother model printer/copier/scanner), but it just will not scan one of these bills. It stops the scanning process whenever it gets to the clear part of the bill each and every time! Curious if anyone else's scanner is doing the same thing. Security feature?
Very nice bills though!
It's very likely the software you are using. Many common commercial image editing software (i.e. Photoshop) won't allow bank notes to be scanned. Try a different program.
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And the maple leaf window feature is a definite flop. I asked the BoC rep how to check the feature and she recommended using the flashlight on an iPhone 4. Spent an hour testing different lights and couldn't find it. What's the point of a security feature if it can't be easily checked?
You need to use a bright, small point of light surrounded by darkness. The smaller and brighter, and the darker the area around the light source, the better the effect. You need to hold the note right up to your face, as close to your eye as possible, as you look through it.
Try a distant street lamp at night, or a pinhole in a sheet of aluminum foil in front of a bright lamp. That should do the trick.
For a few years I've had a pair of novelty glasses that do the same thing - make Santa Clauses appear around small bright lights.
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I am not seeing anything with my black light on these notes. Anyone else?
Same. No UV features.
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I echo some of the earlier comments regarding the lack of vibrancy, artistic detail and minimal intaglio printing. I don't see how the hidden numbers will be of much help in a business enviroment and not everyone is going to stand in a dark room with a penlight looking for the numbers. All I was able to make out was blurry colours and vauge numbers but they are there. Sent a brief email to the BOC expressing my dissapointment and not expecting that I'll get much of a reply. Thought it was worth a try if it helps with the remainder of the series.
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Saw
EKD 0455914 33/33
EKK 8589691 03/03
EKD 4077923 36/36
Also saw EKAs and other prefixes as well but didn't have a chance to copy down info. Will try again another day
Was allowed to go through about 7 bundles and got a radar, will post later.
EKA 6028206 17 17
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I have the same issues as I did with the Journey series notes. I sometimes get a full scan but when I save it, the bill is only a fraction of the size. At least I get a partial scan for the SNDB.
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I used my Sony Camera with Night Vision and here's what I got....
1. The right side serial number does not appear at all. The word Canada does not appear
and also the number 100 does not show on the photo except for the inside shading of the last zero.
The insulin bottle also does not show.
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2. On the front side of the note, only "10" shows up on display, and
only 50% of Borden's portrait can be seen.
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Sent a brief email to the BOC expressing my dissapointment and not expecting that I'll get much of a reply. Thought it was worth a try if it helps with the remainder of the series.
I also e-mailed the BofC a few months ago with my disappointment about the Canadian Coat of Arms not appearing on the new notes. I got a bland reply that during the design process, careful consideration was given on what elements to add or subtract from the new series. Yet personally, I still find it unpatriotic, almost treasonous, to remove our Coat of Arms after it has featured on BofC notes since the 1954 series! :(
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I wonder if they may incorporate the Coat of Arms on one of the remaining three notes to be issued. It may be appropriate to feature it more prominently on the twenty-dollar note if they will continue to feature the reigning Monarch on that denomination.
I have no idea but just throwing it out there as a possibility since the Coat of Arms is a big part of the design of only one of the Canadian coins, albeit the fifty cent piece which is rarely used.
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Anyone notice that the signatures are now on the intaglio plate? (As small as the signatures are???)
And just for a chuckle, this morning (Nov 16) there was a ticker on CBC news network that read "Merchants not sold on the new $100 note. Counterfeit proof, but not theft proof". What a gem from our wonderful national broadcaster! If I didn't know better, I'd say all notes are not theft proof, but that's just me.
John
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Happy to report that the new $100s seem to be widely available in the GTA. Some TD branches I visited were giving them out to all customers that requested $100s in withdrawals.
Got another full bundle at a TD branch this morning, this time it was fully consecutive, no inserts. I did get a nice repeater, EKD4000400. :) Too bad they didn't have the bundle with the million numbered and 2-digit radar!
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I don't know if my mind is playing tricks on me, but it seems if you tilt the notes in bright light on the backside, you can see a square over the image of the microscope. It doesn't glow under UV light, nor does it show in infrared light.
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To coinsplus:
May I ask what the purpose of the experiment with the night vision setting of your camera was?
John
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Here is a link to a short video showing the production process of the new $100.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/video/behind-scenes-canadas-new-polymer-based-100-bill
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Hi JohnnyG5:
The purpose of this experiment was to see what elements of the invisible security features the BofC implemented with their new polymer notes.
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And just for a chuckle, this morning (Nov 16) there was a ticker on CBC news network that read "Merchants not sold on the new $100 note. Counterfeit proof, but not theft proof". What a gem from our wonderful national broadcaster! If I didn't know better, I'd say all notes are not theft proof, but that's just me.
Yes, I saw the same headline on CablePulse TV Toronto and wondered what the hell it meant! LOL. A hundred bucks is a hundred bucks; people would want to steal it even if it were printed on toilet paper.
I've also noticed that Sir Robert Borden looks pretty normal on the 1975 series $100 notes, but gets progressively cock-eyed and demented looking with each of the 3 series that followed...
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Finally picked up a few today, certainly interesting.
I scrunched one up and its corner gave me a polymer cut :-\
And the maple leaf window feature is a definite flop. I asked the BoC rep how to check the feature and she recommended using the flashlight on an iPhone 4. Spent an hour testing different lights and couldn't find it. What's the point of a security feature if it can't be easily checked?
I couldn't get it ether till I held it directly in front of my eye. Any bright light works, just use your hand to obscure all but a tiny hole.
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I realized that I was holding the note too close to the flashlight. I think it has to be a foot or so away from the light source to get a clear look.
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I scrunched one up and its corner gave me a polymer cut
This may be premature, but this looks like a possible lawsuit...a few more and I would be willing to start a class action suit. Who knows....we may all end up with bricks of $100 before it's all over 8)
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I wonder if there are actually JHS notes. I was viewing a few videos and pausing them trying to get a view of the serial numbers. It looks like the sheets are printed with the 5X8 format.
Shawn
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I love these new bills. Futuristic, high tech looking, and yet so familiar.
Love the tribute to Canadian medicine on them.
A lot of great work, engineering, creativity, and science, went into these notes. Good job!!! Its something to be proud of.
I will enjoy seeing the next notes in the series.
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I wonder if there are actually JHS notes. I was viewing a few videos and pausing them trying to get a view of the serial numbers. It looks like the sheets are printed with the 5X8 format.
Shawn
The videos I have seen show 5x9 sheets.
A journalist was able to get a Journey $5 with prefix JHS at a media-only event when those bills were first launched. See here: http://www.icollector.com/images/1072/14959/14959_0985a_1_lg.jpg
So they do exist.
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A journalist was able to get a Journey $5 with prefix JHS at a media-only event when those bills were first launched. So they do exist.
Do you know this first hand as fact (have you seen one), or is this just what someone told you.
I know the posters show the JHS prefix, but no one I know has personally verified
a JHS prefix.
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Do you know this first hand as fact (have you seen one), or is this just what someone told you.
Does this convince you?
{http://www.icollector.com/images/1072/14959/14959_0985a_1_lg.jpg}
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Do you know this first hand as fact (have you seen one), or is this just what someone told you.
Does this convince you?
I am already aware of this particular note as it is recorded in the catalogue.
I thought what you were saying is that there was one found in the new $100 polymer series.
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I thought what you were saying is that there was one found in the new $100 polymer series.
Oh, no; that's not what I meant. Sorry for not being clear. What I meant was since a $5 with that serial number exists, it stands to reason that $100s with that prefix also physically exist, even if only internally.
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I don't know if my mind is playing tricks on me, but it seems if you tilt the notes in bright light on the backside, you can see a square over the image of the microscope. It doesn't glow under UV light, nor does it show in infrared light.
I couldn't see what you were talking about at first, but I can see the square now under the right light. I wonder what's going on there.
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Is it necessary to share Mr Weisgerber's personal information like that?
And I don't understand why it is reasonable to assume that JHS notes exist for different denominations. Internal test notes could have any prefix...
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Is it necessary to share Mr Weisgerber's personal information like that?
If Mr. Weisgerber didn't want his "personal information" shared with the public, he wouldn't have shared it with the public.
Let a forum moderator remove the image if it is deemed inappropriate.
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Way back on topic ::), but I got their last one hundred polymer note at a Burlington TD branch only this past Thurs (so they're obviously popular after all the hype).
My first look at the $100
IMO:
I got to say that the first thing that strikes me (other than the fact they're so very light in weight/ extremely thin) is how dull they are. I really like the window, the holograms, some of the design changes, but overall the colour is very muted with no bright spots other than the obverse "100" marker. The colour is very drab. I miss the coat of arms too. Maybe my expectations were too high but I prefer the $100 paper version.
I was hoping they'd try to make them a little thicker than they are (just for money machines and general handling). I see problems with these down the road (when you have to handle a lot of the smaller denominations $5, $10, $20) unless they make changes to overall design. I hope they put the coat of arms in the hologram instead of the spooky figurehead faces. The Peace Tower is nice but one figurehead face is enough. Where the heck is their sense of tradition?
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The Peace Tower is nice
Sigh... :-[
I understand it's an honest mistake, but it's not the Peace Tower. It's the East Block tower.
I agree about the drabness of the bill. The Journey series $100 was better but not by much IMO. I thought the Birds $100 was awful. Perhaps brown is a hard colour to make vibrant. Hopefully the rest of the Frontier denominations will look a little better.
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Sigh... :-[
I understand it's an honest mistake, but it's not the Peace Tower. It's the East Block tower.
I agree about the drabness of the bill. The Journey series $100 was better but not by much IMO. I thought the Birds $100 was awful. Perhaps brown is a hard colour to make vibrant. Hopefully the rest of the Frontier denominations will look a little better.
I would have preferred a little more contrast between the background and intaglio printing. On the new note, it seems to be muddled together. At least on the Journey 100s, the intaglio printing is more 3D and contrasted from the background, making it a livelier note overall. There were also a few more subtle shades of brown and different background colours in the Journey 100. The BoC could have done a better job making the background a little more artistic.
I'm not holding out much hope for the 50s either, seeing from the Bank of Canada B-Roll tape where you can see an actual note. It looks to be more pink than the red we're used to on the Journey 50s.
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And I don't understand why it is reasonable to assume that JHS notes exist for different denominations. Internal test notes could have any prefix...
If you ever have a chance to see the book "The Art and Design of Canadian Banknotes" you will see there are multiple demoniations/concept notes bearing this unique JHS serial number.
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If i recall back in 2004 when the Journey 100 note was released there was one note that had JPH prefix, is that possible? Was it ever released into private hands?
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Dan Murphy's take on the new note.
http://www.theprovince.com/videos/featured/video.html?embedCode=doNWkxMzoeVhMPyXyRuGny1U0iQxGfj2
Ha ha ha ha (evil wink)
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I finally got few notes and I checked for the famous holographic image in the maple leaf window, and I finally saw the image. True that the image shows best with a pinpoint source of light (the more pinpoint light is, clearer is the image). For those who are presbytics, it could be difficult to see the image. A spreaded source of light will only smears the image...
I tried to project this hidden image by pointing a red lazer pointer through the image on a white paper and we can see clearly (when properly aligned) the hidden image. The picture here shows how what it look:
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Visually, the image is better than that...Sorry...
I also checked for UV inks, and indeed, with a 13 watts compact black light (available in most of hardware store), I saw a feebly orange fluorescent square at the back on the image of the microscope. Someone has reported seeing a trace of this square on ordinary light (having not the same finish as the rest of the note)
Here an image of this square.
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It's much as on the previous serie. This square was (and still is) visible on all denominations and is always on the same area, regardless the denomination...
Maybe it's one of the "secret" security features?...
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I got these notes the plate # are all 33.
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Ink transfer from the wet ink ? (Bank of Canada)
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Look at what someone did to one of the new bills:
http://www.journalpioneer.com/News/Local/2011-12-01/article-2822658/Careful-with-that-new-bill/1
:o