BSW - BCS graded VF35 sold for $525 + 20% + tax $711.90!

Wow, that's impressive.  But I hope everybody remembers that the price before fees and taxes should be used as the benchmark.

BSW - BCS graded VF35 sold for $525 + 20% + tax $711.90!

Although six years have passed, the data is still very relevant and his contributions are sorely missed.

-Thanks for bumping this thread @40 daze!

His summary that only a portion (90,000) of the official 270,000 range being issued is compelling. 

I also recall that @Rupiah thought that both CBN & ABNC printed the $50 GHD prefix since there were both extreme low # reported & high # reported (no mid range #). There was also something to do with the matrix used that each printer used. Unfortunately, I cannot recall which range he thought were produced by either printers.  I have searched this forum for his remarks but only in vain. It would be interesting if anyone else had any info on @Rupiah or his research.

SOLD

  Thanks, all!

W2W and Beatrix on a different forum have mentioned something about BSW.

Facts
Here is what we know i.e. these are facts that we know:

The official range of BSW is from 0.0 to 0.269999 (270k)

The reported notes are in the range 0.180000 to 0.269999 (90k)

It is believed that all the notes reported and in the SNDB in the above range have a Position Number (PN) of 51 to 59 i.e. the last or rightmost column (as viewed from the back) in a sheet of 5 columns x 9 rows.

When BoC was releasing these notes media photos showed sheets with BSW notes

Making Sense of Facts

Going by the PN and the range it would seem that the skip number of these notes is 10,000.

Given that PN 51 to 59 are printed in the range of Serial Numbers 0180000 to 0269999 it is simply not possible to assign the printing of other PNs from 91-99, 81-89, 71-79, 61-69 with a skip of 10,000 within a range of serial numbers 0000000 to 0179999.

This would suggest some special printing arrangement (could be the sheet size was not 5x9, could be that other spaces on the sheets may have been used to print something else etc.) not unusual for trial runs.

Given the above and given that BSW sheet was seen at the time of first release of these notes it is possible that even though alphabetically BSW is last, it was printed before any other prefix from BIE to BIZ and BSA to BSW. Something similar has been noted with FTH M-C, EKZ and FBB i.e. these prefixes have been used in the media during the first release of these notes and yet they have either been rarely found (FTH M-C, and EKZ) or have not been released (FBB) before other prefixes that were printed later (FTY, FTZ and FFA bundle straps show dates which are after the release)

Now for the most interesting clue. It is believed that the plates used to print the back of BSW was different than the plate used to print BIE to BIZ and BSA to BSV. I have not presented this evidence publicly yet but I will do so once I get a BSW is hand. I have presently based it on the images I have seen of these notes.

It is my belief that the BSW was first prefix to get printed and most likely used for final circulation trial.


Bottom Line


The total number of BSW's can be no more than 270,000 which is what the BoC has declared.

The BSW's that will be found are all likely with PN from 51-59 and I think the total will not be more than 90,000. There is evidence (which will be presented in due time) that there is identifiable difference in some aspect of printing found in the BSW compared to notes with PN 51-59 of all other prefixes BIE-BIZ and BSA to BSV. Given this I think BSW should be considered special from a collectors point of view.

Thanks for your input on the other link walktothewater & Archey80!

Since it seems clear that Rupiah is no longer active on this site, I have reactivated his old link so others are aware of his detailed research on the BSW prefix. Although six years have passed, the data is still very relevant and his contributions are sorely missed.

I think there was a typo, as EGR is a Birds $2 changeover. I wonder if you meant the $20 Journey ERG, which has about half the population reported in SNDB as most other full-run prefixes.

-Thanks for the correction @rxcory - yes the ERG $20 (was just replying off-the-top of my head, trying to recall some of the short prefixes reported).

I did not mention the 2011 HAE-HAL Fives only b/c we expected those to be short & the ones I mentioned came up short more in the middle of their run (with the exception of the 2011 AUT $20).  There's probably a few more short prefixes I failed to mention here.

April 27th coin hunting results:

This small load of rolled coins left me pleasantly surprised.
I hunted the quarters first and I was upset that 7 of the rolls was short by one coin.  (Short rolls are becoming more frequent in Toronto).
Unfortunately, this is the price you pay for coin roll hunting.  I’ve been ripped off more times than I can count.

Discouraged after losing $1.75, I carried on…
The last quarter roll was thankfully full with $10 in coins and best of all, one of the quarters was a silver 1967 bobcat.
I also found some 1992 provincials, a US quarter, a Barbados 25 cent coin and a colour poppy quarter in nice shape.

The dimes were productive as well.  I found:
Five 1968 nickel alloy dimes
And $4.80 worth of US dimes, most of which came out of one single roll.

So, after everything, I managed to walk away from this hunt with a profit!
You can’t complain if you find free silver and US coins! (But it still sucks to be short $1.75…🙁)
Enjoy!
Dean

April 27th finds and coin hunt.

I managed to get a significant haul from one of my banks today including:

A pile of journey $10s and a $50
Two bags of pennies

I figured that I should also buy some rolled coins so I picked up some dimes and quarters.

The results of the hunt are in the next post.

Enjoy!
Dean

You can speculate all you want about the BSW but the BoC & their printers have been known to short-change several prefixes over the years:
$20 Journey EGR (there's others like 2011 AUT which seem tough)
$10 BEP, BEL & 2003 BER
$5.00 2001 AOF & 2004 HOH
& for polymer it is (or should be) a well known fact that the EKZ $100, AMK $50, BSW $20 & FTH $10 were all shafted in terms of the numbers released. Actually the M-C FTH came as a real surprise since it was like the 2003 BER since the 2004 BER had a full release & the M-P FTH had a full releases. Also M-C GHD $50 & W-P FVP $20 were also scarce in numbers.

It is very helpful to learn this kind of info from someone who has been actively collecting and going through bundles since the Journey notes were new. As always, thanks for sharing your knowledge walktothewater.

I think there was a typo, as EGR is a Birds $2 changeover. I wonder if you meant the $20 Journey ERG, which has about half the population reported in SNDB as most other full-run prefixes.

It's kind of interesting to go through the Charlton and see the values for, say, the 2003 Jenkins/Dodge $10s, and then realizing that the book values don't really correspond to the SNDB population reports – most should be priced higher than they are due to scarcity. I think I remember seeing talk here that Charlton needed to be able to observe more sales history before revising their values for certain prefixes.