Name that Note - II

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I stumbled across this interesting piece of history at TICF today.  
Any wild guesses where this vignette was found?

Clue #1 -  not a 1935 $1000
Clue #2 -  not a 1937 $1000
Clue #3 -  it is not a free standing vignette cut out of a book or annual report.
Clue #4 -  it cost me $15

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Its not a 1937 note. All 1937s notes have different portrait on the back.

Clue #4 -  it cost me $15

Any CPMS member knows that doesn't mean much, considering your acquisition noted on p86 of the Sept CPMS newsletter.

Hey Royalist, maybe you should look up the notes before you make a guess.  

Even without your Pick catalogue handy, you still could have looked up the notes online. There are scans of the notes all over the Internet including this very website. However, you simply proved to everyone here just how little you know about Canadian banknotes. (That is somewhat ironic, seeing as how just the other day you were attempting to tell us how to categorize our notes).

Take care before posting. As with speaking, when the fingers work the keyboard faster than the brain can think things through, one ends up looking like a fool.

Getting back on topic...
eyevet: Perhaps another hint?

You won't find this one in any catalogue so here is a bit more to look at.

It is from a 200 Ruble Russian bond dated 1917.  What I found fascinating is that this vignette was used on a foreign bond
before it was used on the Canadian $1000 bill in 1935.   The Bank of Canada was sold a USED VIGNETTE!!!
I also thought these vignettes on the '35 series were very "British" in appearance.  And now I find that the same vignette was used in  Tzarist Russia.  

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I thought it would be Canadian... Here I am looking though my catalogue trying to find the same portrait.    How much is it worth?

Eyevet's question fooled me completely even though I've had several pieces of the same bond in my collection for the last several years! It all goes to show that it's very very difficult to think "outside the box".

These 200 Roubles Russian bonds were also used as currency at the time. They come in three different colours (Brown, Green & Orange) and they are seen both with and without an attached sheet of twenty 4.5 Rouble interest coupons.

Since they were used as currency, these Russian bonds are listed and priced in the PICK World Paper Money Catalogue (Volume 1 -- Specialized Issues). I've attempted a scan of the relevant page from the catalogue. The Brown one is the scarcest (Cat. US$60.00 in Unc), then the Green ($25.00 in Unc) and the Orange is the commonest ($22.50 in Unc) --- in VF they catalogue at about 50% of these prices.

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The last two times I was in J&M's "Super Store" in Vancouver (Sept. 2005 and March 2006) they had a brick of 50 or so of these Orange bonds in stock priced somewhere around $20 per piece. They also had sheets of the coupons at about the same price. They may still have some in stock.

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It's surprising how frequently Canadian currency vignettes show up in other places, e.g., on foreign paper money and on Canadian and foreign bonds & share certificates.

As eyevet correctly points out, the vignettes in question were the property of the bank note engraving companies and their customers (e.g., the Bank of Canada) selected what they considered to be the most appropriate ones for use on their currency and related items. However, the engraving companies probably also created custom-designed vignettes for their customers.

Walter Allan has done a great deal of ground-breaking research in the field of Canadian and foreign vignettes over the last 35 or more years and his work has been published in the CPM Journal and elsewhere.

As an example, I've attached a scan of a colouful Canadian share certificate that uses the same vignette as the Government of Newfoundland 1920 $2 note.

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The closest design I could find to that vignette was not on the Bank of Canada's 1935 issue,but on the notes of the Banque Nationale Canadienne (Canadian National Bank).

Royalist, the vignette is identical to the one used on the Bank of Canada 1935 $1,000 note.
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Again, Royalist, the note that Seth shows is taken directly from our main site, as you can plainly see from the link. If you must know, it is a scan from the 1935 $1000 that I owned, as most of the Bank of Canada (BoC) notes on the website are. There is very few notes on the site that I have not owned at one time or another. With the expection of the shinplasters, all the DoC and Chartered banknotes are scans contributed by others.

Do have a look at these notes. Guessing that the 1967 $1 had that vignette shows a shocking lack of effort. http://www.cdnpapermoney.com/English/BoC/1967_date.htm. As with your guesses with the 1937 notes. http://www.cdnpapermoney.com/English/BoC/all_1937.htm

Paul