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« on: November 19, 2006, 10:27:35 pm »

I picked up a note in an auction lot.  Don't know whether it is a copy or orginal.

First it is on paper that feels like tissue paper.

It is printed only on one side, with 30 Sous in two corners and 15d  in the other corners.
It printed across top with Champlain & St Lawerence Railroad.  Also has Lower Canada.
In center is train drawing.
Below is demand writing and dated Montreal 1st August 1857

Any ideas?
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2006, 11:20:10 pm »


If it looks like the note below and is uncirculated with no signatures then it is very common and can be
purchased on eBay for about CDN $60.  If it is signed and circulated then it is worth considerably more.

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2006, 05:48:03 pm »

It looks exactly like that and yes it is uncirculated with no signatures.  I can't see these circulating very much as the paper is so thin it would be destroyed in no time.  

Where might i find more information (catalogue?) on this note??

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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2006, 07:35:05 pm »

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It is printed only on one side, with 30 Sous in two corners and 15d  in the other corners.
Is it not 50 Sous?

It is interesting the way the vignette protrays a railroad, and industry that long ago.  I believe the colonies went through a number of recressions, or economic set backs, in the 19th century, so that could account for the thin tissue like paper.   Also the notes were likely meant for circulation within circles of commerce (banks to businesses - upper merchant class), unlike the circulation a bill endures today.  It would be interesting to see a circulated one.  

Were the unc notes found in hoards?  You see many sheets of them sold on ebay.

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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2006, 08:19:49 pm »

30 sous is correct.  120 sous = $1; thus it's a quarter dollar note.
It was one of a wide variety of small denomination notes issued when an economic crisis affecting Britain, the US and of course Canada made silver coin unobtainable except at a hefty premium, so the little notes kept everyday commerce going by making it possible to change a bank note.
The paper was bank note paper of the time and it was a lot more durable than you might suppose - thin but tough.  A lot of other small denomination notes of the period were printed on ordinary paper and ended up in tatters in short order.
The notes show a familiar coin of equivalent value, familiar to all, which helped to communicate the  denomination at a time when illiteracy was prevalent.  Ordinary folks did use these notes, certainly.
Two varieties exist, with (common) or without "Commr" at the lower right.  Issued (fully signed) examples are known to exist of both varieties but they are rare.  There were two sales in the past couple of months.  They were clearly circulated notes.
The unceasing stream of unissued remainder notes on eBay comes from a very large hoard of uncut sheets.  The notes were printed in sheets of 6, a set of the three denominations on the left and on the right. The note shown in this thread I believe to be original.  The date is 1837, not 1857.
The three denominations were catalogued in the 1980 first edition of Charlton's catalogue on Canadian bank notes ($12 each in UNC but only $48 for a sheet of 6 - consider it a quantity discount).  They will be included in a new book on merchant scrip which is now in preparation.

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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2006, 01:09:24 pm »

Thanks Bob that was very interesting.

It is interesting to know that the paper is much stronger than it appears and met with regular circulation.  Also that it was printed in 1837 - during the infamous rebellions.  I believe rebellious acts occured throughout the year but came to a head in December (McKenzie/Papineau's forces) since the colonies were subject to unfair corn trade tariffs.  There was also a good deal of talk about Democratic reforms after the French revolution while North America (esp Quebec) suffered from partial  trade tarrifs.

Do you remember what the circulated notes sold for?
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2006, 02:12:40 pm »

$320 + commission and taxes for the one in the TICF sale in Sept; $564 for a note sold more recently on eBay.  Both were signed 7 1/2d notes, more or less F condition.  The first did not have Commr at bottom right and the second did have it.

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