Someone other than HM on the $20?

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I'm wondering how people here would feel about seeing HM's portrait replaced with that of another on the $20? I think Pearson would be a good choice; Nobel Peace Prize winner, long-time diplomat and public servant, Prime Minister, father of the flag. If not the $20, why not take Borden off of the $100 and put Pearson on that? (Borden must be the most obscure and yawn-worthy Prime Minister on our banknotes)

Not wanting to get into a big debate about the monarchy here, just wondering how some would feel about seeing a change of face on the $20

Not Pearson.  Certainly not Trudeau, or any subsequent Prime Minister from Quebec.  I really don't know who would be worthy.

I think Pearson would be an excellent choice.

I think we should do what the Bank of England does. Have the Queen on the front, and a notable Canadian featured on the reverse.

Forget the Queen and all Royalty..they are to say the least non viable entities...lets put real Canadians on the notes; NOT POLITICAL people...start with Buzz Buerling..then Billy Bishop..work our way thru the Canadian VC winners, DFC, DFM, George Cross, outstanding AMATURE SPORTS figures..then .. just for the heck of it...some great Canadian inventions...err; okay the only thing that comes to mind is Insulin, Ginger Ale, and cotton candy..but its 6 in the morning...

I think the Queen should be on at least one of our notes




  Randy

I'm fine with the status quo.  I would discourage any effort to completely remove the head of state from our currency.

I think they should replace everybody on all the notes with Cretien's portrait!    Wouldent that be a gas.... Maybe Kim Campbell on the 100... what do you guys think?

I think they should replace everybody on all the notes with Cretien's portrait!    Wouldent that be a gas.... Maybe Kim Campbell on the 100... what do you guys think?

That would probably make me leave Canada. lol.

I would not remove Borden from the $100.  He was an important PM who led Canada through World War I and then fought hard to ensure that Canada was internationally recognized for her contributions in war AND in peace.

Personally, I'm fine with the Queen on the $20, but if they had to make A change, she'd be the one I'd see go, before any CANADIAN Prime Minister.

(Besides, I can't think of a PM who is strong enough to bump the Queen from the banknotes, except for the four who already have their own.)

That would probably make me leave Canada. lol.

lol, why? Its just paper money. I can see youa re proud of Canada, just like I am. I also agree your avatar is the real Canadian flag, and I have my reasons, such as it was the flag our wonderful veterans fought under, and it represents our ties to the british commonwealth.

My beef is that seeing any prime minister from Pearson onwards would make me sick.  After that, they were all from Quebec and they sold Canada down the river to placate Quebec.  Pearson got that ball rolling by allowing Quebec to opt out of the Canada pension plan.  Same for changing the flag, I'm certain that was done to please Quebec....after all, how do you build a nation when one province sees the National banner as a reminder of the British Conquest of 1759.  Quebec has been at odds with Canada since July 1, 1867.  But I digress.

Anyways, just some insight.

Always remember your history.

OT: The "Red Enseign" was never Canada's official flag. For close to 100 years Canada had a confusing situation in which more than one flag was used as the de-facto flag of Canada, for example some predecessors of the final Red Enseign were used in some situations, while the Union Jack was being used in others. Apparently none of the flags were vexillology correct, nor were they easily identifiable, distinguished or recognized as Canadian. Debate had been simmering at various points since the 1920's but in typical Canadian fashion nobody really did anything about it. I believe that Pearson's reasonings were that Canada was no longer a colony and her troops should never be mistaken for that of another on a battlefield. (The fact that Egyptians assumed that Pearson was naturally merely acting by proxy on the U.K.'s behalf during the Suez crisis probably had something to do with it)

Interesting history lesson, Stu!  I knew some of the flag story, but I liked the point you brought up about the indistinctiveness of the Ensign.

Would Rick Hansen (sic) or Terry Fox, Steve Fonyo (sic); etc qualify under sports? How about lets just  cave in now (as you know the govt will) and put every Quebecer that ever lived on the banknotes.....would happen that way anyway..so if we are (at some point) going to change the figures..might as well cave to the inevitable right now...oh..that and Leftwingleaningliberalizedfeminatzigranolacrunchingbierkienstockwearinggumbyloving LYING LIBERALS!!!

someone sounds a little bitter  I figure most of it's in jest, but if not, it might be a good idea to tone it down just a touch.  Some people may find your comments offensive.  Just an idea. :-/

Well maybe my wording was a bit "5 in the morningish".. however; when "change" to anything and I DO mean anything..hinges on Quebec giving the nod..re: health care, freedom of movement for employment..immigratin laws...judicial appointments...how far a streatch is it to make that without "Quebecs" nod..there would be nothing done to anything concerning money...Spend some time in the govt buildings here in Ottawa (as I and numerous others have done) and you will readily see..that while this may be said tongue in cheek..there is a lot of truth in what I (we) are saying....ah well...being politicaly correct has never been my forte..and if the truth causes someones nose to be put outta joint..so be it...as the saying goes "I WILL REMEMBER"

Steve (and all non-Quebecers) have every right to be angry.  Quebec exists solely because of Alberta & Ontario, by means of Equalization payments that are anything but equal.  Since Quebec pays nothing and gets back a veritable fortune.  So long as the house of commons has a bunch of Quebecers in positions of power, this will never change.  And this will cause Canada to break-up and it will exist like the EU - 5 nations sharing common services.  It will happen by 2010...just watch....

Other solution if Canada wants to remain united: kick Quebec out.  Plain and simple.  And Canada's future will not be decided in Quebec City, but rather by the two provinces that write the cheques.

But I digress.

So yeah, I guess the Queen remains the decent choice for the $20, for now.

Quebec has done nothing but cause trouble for canada, threatening to seperate, blah, blah, blah, if you don't give us what we want, we'll seperate, and it goes on like this. I am disgusted at how the Canadian government hasn't put their foot down, and instead lying on its knees to Quebec. They only live off other provinces. Quebec shouldn't have to be voted by themselves to seperate, they should just be kicked out. I really appreciate the HM on the $20. Case closed, no changing the prime ministers. I don't like to hear garbage about who should be on the bills, such as Borden being useless, (he led the country thru WW I), even though I didn't like King, he still had a purpose to this country. Marc, don't you live in Montreal?   I don't mean to offend anyone.

Here's my II cent's worth...

If something ever happens to Her Majesty the Queen, due to illness, or whatever cause, I think that the Heir to the Throne - whether it be "future" King Charles or King William, whoever will be the  reigning monarch - should be placed on a future $20 series when Her Majesty the Queen passes on.  I believe I have discussed this in the section titled "New Journey $50 Note" some time ago.

Anybody on the forum is welcome to express their views regarding this and any other posting on this thread.  

Later!  Jonathan  

All together now...  God Save The Queen!  

Yes I'm a lifetime Montrealer and I find it incredible that this city stays on its feet being in a sea of Quebec self-centered nationalism.  Montreal would prosper much better on its own in a new province or as part of Ontario.  Anything is possible. Who knows what the future holds.  

What I am FED-UP with, are the Quebecois self-centered nationalists and the appeasing cowards in Ottawa.  They've killed the dream of one big united Canada.

I am by no means in love with the monarchy.  In fact I think Canada should not have the British Crown as head of state, even though it's just ceremonial.  I'd much prefer a republic.  Why I show the Red Enslgn is because of its historical value, the symbolism, the fact that Canada fought two wars under it and it speared the growth that led to today.  Basically it's the flag that made Canada proud.....until it was hijacked by the two bad actors mentioned above.  

How about the comic duo Terrance and Phillip of South Park fame in lieu of HM on a future $20?


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How about the comic duo Terrance and Phillip of South Park fame in lieu of HM on a future $20?
 

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That was so funny..............I forgot to laugh..........that one sort of fizzled out......... I don't like South Park much for its half-@$$ed humour.

hm-hongkong I never said that Borden accomplished nothing, I pointed-out that he's not as noteworthy (Pun unintentional) as the other Prime Ministers featured on Canada's banknotes. I brought up Pearson because he was an admired and respected statesman and Nobel laureate who devoted his life to the service of Canada. Quite a few of the things we consider as part-and-parcel of "Canadian-ness" originated during Pearson's tenure as Prime Minister. I've listened to quite a few of his speeches and they're quite stirring. As an aside to Marc, Canada fought under the Union Jack during the World Wars, not the red enseign. I think all this business about Quebec being kicked out and how Quebec runs the show ad nauseum is silly and it wasn't my intent for this post to turn in that direction - As a Canadian I find it offensive. Ironically it was a Prime Minister from Quebec and the first French-Canadian Prime Minister who carved out the province now known as Alberta... That's all I'm going to say on this matter.

Hmmm....   Not to long ago, we could have pictures of our own put on stamps,  why not on some paper money?  I'm sure most if not all of the members on this site would like to have their very own portrait on a nice crisp 20

Because postage stamps are typically seen only by the sender, whoever the sender brags about them to, the mail carrier who picks up the letter, a few machines that test for correct and authentic postage and don't care what the picture is, the mail carrier who drops off the letter, the recipient and whoever the recipient shows it to.  The whole thing is typically wrapped up in a week.

A banknote has a longer lifespan and allowing hundreds of thousands of different banknotes in circulation would confuse the heck out of people not only here in Canada, but also abroad as they wonder whether or not the banknote is even real.

Stamp collectors are just plain weird. I'll end it there.

Don Cherry may be a good choice for the $20....  or maybe Celine Dion, perhaps?  Governor General Adrienne Clarkson?  Hockey Player Tim Horton? (not referring to donuts)  Any other ideas?

Don Cherry is an idiot.  Celine Dion makes me physically ill.  Adrienne Clarkson is far too stuck-up for her own good.

A great hockey player might be a good choice.

...or maybe Mr. Dressup as HM's replacement portrait?

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Uh,..... yeah...... OK.  

...or maybe Mr. Dressup as HM's replacement portrait?

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What about the Friendly Giant? The actor playing him is dead, so it wouldn't violate the "portraits must be dead" rule (I'm not sure if it is an official rule, but in general, all the people on our money are dead, except the Queen). And there was a picture of the Little Prince on the old French 50 franc note, so there is precedent, sort of (the note was actually honouring Antoine de Saint-Exupery, the author of "The Little Prince")

What about someone that has made a difference in the quality of peoples lives.
Frederick Banting and Charles Best ( co creators of insulin) definately would get my vote.
Their discovery has led to the saving of untold lives.
And, yes they are Canadians.

Re: Celine Dion on the $20.  I think this is a neat idea, but only if they dress her up like the lady on the back of the 1937 $20 bill - with a boob showing   -  and ah yes she can be sitting on a camel.  

Maybe like someone said earlier, we should do like the British and have the queen on the front of all the banknotes and put important Canadians on the back of the bills, along with a theme. Maybe we should just leave the bills like they are, but feature a prominent Canadian who is not a politician on the back, and depending on who the person is, feature a theme that has something to do with that person. For example we could feature John Maccrae on the 10$ bill since it features his poem and peacekeeping, Bill Reid on the 20$ since it feature his artwork, and so on. Or we could just introduce a 200$ and 500$ banknotes so that we can feature some promenade Canadian on the front. just some ideas