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« on: November 16, 2012, 02:02:43 am »

The hunt for Canada’s $1,000 bills: There are nearly a million left, most in the hands of criminal elites

More than 10 years after the $1,000 bill disappeared from circulation 946,043 of them are still out there, somewhere.

The whereabouts of almost $1-billion worth of the banknotes is a mystery rekindled this month at Quebec’s corruption probe when a witness spoke of a safe over-stuffed with cash, including $1,000 notes, inside a political office.

Retired on May 12, 2000, for being mostly used in criminal transactions, any $1,000 note deposited at a bank is destroyed, although the bills — nicknamed “pinkies” by gangsters because of the pinkish-purple ink — remain legal tender.

Money-laundering experts believe most of the missing bills continue to circulate among criminal elites who use them to pay large debts, with the recipient, in turn, using them to pay their own debts with only a portion of the notes bleeding off into the legitimate banking system.

“They are used now to pay off IOUs, not as traditional cash. They are used for buying and selling but not for cashing, because they know if they cash them, it is traceable,” said Jeffrey Robinson, a New York-based author of several landmark books on money laundering.

“They keep paying with them, over and over, and it’s only the last guy in line who has to worry about cashing them.”

The notes were retired as part of the fight against organized crime at the recommendation of the RCMP, said Jeremy Harrison, spokesman for the Bank of Canada.

He said the bank could not speculate about where the missing $1,000 bills are or how they might be used.

At Quebec’s Charbonneau corruption commission, a former organizer for the Union Montreal, said the political party was awash with cash, some of it in $1,000 bills. Martin Dumont said the party’s chief fundraiser had a safe in his office so stuffed that he once needed help closing it.

“They were red, brown and pink,” Mr. Dumont told the commission, listing the colours of the Canadian $50, $100 and $1,000 bills.

High-denomination bank notes are popular with high-end criminals because it makes moving large amounts of cash so much easier.

Every Canadian bank note weighs the same — one gram — and for cash deals as big as those done by drug rings, payment can require a duffle bag.

A $1-million payment in $100 bills, currently the highest denomination circulating Canadian note, requires 10,000 bills and weighs 10 kilograms.

But in $1,000 bills, it is a manageable 1,000 notes weighing one kilo.

“The $1,000 bill is cool for these guys because it means you just reduced the bulk on $1-million by a factor of 10. You can put that in your pockets,” said Mr. Robinson.

“The weight of money always exceeds the weight of the cocaine,” said Peter Lamey, spokesman for the Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada (FINTRAC), a government agency collecting information on suspected money laundering.

“Money can be cumbersome when conducting drug transactions,” he said.

In the 1980s, the Caruana Mafia clan in Montreal was depositing so much money that they backed a pickup truck up to the doors of a Montreal bank and tossed out hockey bags stuffed with cash.

The boss of the clan paid tellers to set aside any $1,000 bills for him.

When the notes were first withdrawn, 2,827,702 of them were circulating, according to Bank of Canada statistics. That has steadily declined as stray notes were deposited or exchanged at Canada’s banks.

In 2011, the value of missing notes, which remains on the Bank of Canada’s books as a liability, dipped for the first time to below $1-billion.

Some of them will be in safety deposit boxes or similarly hidden, kept as liquid assets. Others will remain in the hands of collectors who like to hoard bills that might become rare, financial experts say.

But few doubt that the majority of the remaining bills continue to fuel the drug trade as the highest denomination legal tender in the Western world.

As the stash continues to dwindle, that claim slowly passes to the eurozone’s €500 note.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/15/the-hunt-for-canadas-1000-bills-there-are-nearly-a-million-left-most-in-the-hands-of-criminal-elites/
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2012, 06:41:09 am »

I only have two of them...so there are 999,998 or so unaccounted for...   ^-^

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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2012, 06:43:10 am »

I only have two of them...so there are 999,998 or so unaccounted for...   ^-^

I mean...946,041...  :)

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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2012, 07:27:46 am »

I have one stashed away. I cashed in 10 of these a few months ago, the bank tellers were amazed and excited to see them - I thought I would get some dirty looks.
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2012, 08:30:55 am »

I have one stashed away. I cashed in 10 of these a few months ago, the bank tellers were amazed and excited to see them - I thought I would get some dirty looks.

I wish I would have known...I'm looking for some more at face value.  :(

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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2012, 08:41:52 am »

We have a 54 series one but would like to get a nice bird series one.
Thanks for posting the article. Interesting.



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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2012, 09:46:18 am »

Interesting article...
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2012, 12:27:21 pm »

First I have to say the orginal post was a fantastic read. I always enjoy hearing a bit of history. I belive it was a good thing for the BOC to get rid of the $1000, as most people that deal in any financial transaction will find other means than cash (for the simple sake of security) to make a purchase when the price of something gets into the thousands of dollars.

CA-banknotes: I'm surprised the teller didn't ask you some questions... I generally get harrassed a bit anytime I make deposits or withdrawals around the 10K mark.

There's a few BC-61b's I've seen in catalogs of coin dealers for around 1100... There is a part of me that would like to own a 1000 bill, but as a collector I don't feel I would get much value in having that as part of my collection.
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2012, 05:05:10 am »

Good Read. Thanks for Sharing
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2013, 11:49:40 am »

If anyone wants to pick up a $1000 there is one going up in a local auction here today...

No creases through the note.. but the edges look wavy and crumpled... I don't know exactly how it would grade.. I was thinking fine but have a look and tell me..

http://www.kayesauctions.com/files/Pics_AUC/P1280122%20%28Small%29.JPG

If you would like me to bid on it for you... just tell me your top price... the buyers fee is 5% and there is GST and PST on all items which would be added on afterwards.

Let me know as I'm going to the auction today ...
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2013, 09:50:25 pm »

Let me know as I'm going to the auction today ...

Thx for the offer. If you go would appreciate posting how much it sold for.

Wonder what paper money would say if it could talk?
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2013, 01:06:24 am »

Sold for 1250 plus fees and taxes...
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This auction was absolutely the craziest thing I have EVER seen... large pieces of furniture like sofas were going for under $100... (one piece actually went for 2.50!!! yes you read it right.. and it wasn't that bad ... very good for someone with a cottage or a rec room)

While the currency was going for multiples over book value for items that were not in great condition.

The 1000 note was one of the "better" conditioned notes in the lot.. yet I saw 3 multicolour $1 go for $40... and $2's go for $50 bucks.. ???

1937 $100 bill... which might pass for VG to F... sold for $250...  Heck people were buying up birds notes like they were gold.. it was just crazy!

I tell ya people.. save your "spenders" ... I'd almost be happy to pay you FV for them up front, then split the profits when taking them to this auction once ever 1 - 2 months... we all would be sitting on a gold mine the way some of these people were bidding on some items!
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2013, 06:09:19 pm »

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I tell ya people.. save your "spenders" ... I'd almost be happy to pay you FV for them up front, then split the profits when taking them to this auction once ever 1 - 2 months... we all would be sitting on a gold mine the way some of these people were bidding on some items!

Surely the context of this auction has to be factored in.  People at this auction have pieces of furniture (or no place for the auctioned stuff) don't need it so they're low-balling but seeing the currency- there must have been a bidding war amongst some very naive bidders.   

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2013, 11:40:28 pm »

Sold for 1250 plus fees and taxes...


Thank you for sharing your experience. I have learnt a lot from my mistakes at these auctions but what I do not understand is people paying ridiculous prices at flea markets and at some shops. I have seen people buying 1 oz. silver maple leafs at some coin shops for $45 when they can normally be had for $35 (and I am talking about straight SML not privy marks or animals).

In downtown Toronto there are some currency exchanges who keep these SML 1 oz and sell them for as much as $55. I guess tourist may buy them for souvenirs. The sad part for me is that just a few blocks away at a coin dealer they can buy the same coin for $35. I guess the advantage of having the storefront.


Wonder what paper money would say if it could talk?
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2013, 03:33:48 am »

Surely the context of this auction has to be factored in.  People at this auction have pieces of furniture (or no place for the auctioned stuff) don't need it so they're low-balling but seeing the currency- there must have been a bidding war amongst some very naive bidders.   

It was something to see... I saw 3 common date Morgans go for over $220 as well as a whole pile of atrocities.

Ahh well .. who am I to judge.... if everyone walked out of there happy then good for them...I managed to only pick up one buy from the whole lot... a 1923 Peace dollar in VERY nice condition... the lettering and details are all very much there with little in terms of scratches or scuffs on it. For $25 I was happy, b/c after all taxes it ends up being just a touch above the melt value.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I have learnt a lot from my mistakes at these auctions but what I do not understand is people paying ridiculous prices at flea markets and at some shops. I have seen people buying 1 oz. silver maple leafs at some coin shops for $45 when they can normally be had for $35 (and I am talking about straight SML not privy marks or animals).

I like buying silver as well... and usually pick up a couple maples each month, but nothing with privy marks or any of the animals. I like to get just the basic maple as it's the closest to spot from my LCD. I've tried other auctions and looked and e-mailed a few locals on kijiji .... but all the prices are ridiculously high elsewhere.
 

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