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« on: January 22, 2014, 10:25:49 pm »

I received a brick of new polymer $10's and noticed gaps in the numbers. Should we make notes of these missing serial numbers?  Five notes were missing at various points in the bundle.

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Rodney

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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2014, 12:41:42 am »

While I am definitely in favour of open reporting of brick information, I'm not sure that gaps are meaningful since they are far from exceptional in the polymer series.  Gaps are more of a lack of information than anything else.  There is no proof that the missing notes DON'T exist.

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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2014, 11:44:36 pm »

  There is no proof that the missing notes DON'T exist.

In my database I keep detailed information about missing notes. Just to prove the point you made that missing notes does not mean non-existent notes I pulled the following from my database:

Dec. 13 in a $5 polymer bundle from one bank:

all HBR


3780801
3780807
3780811
3780818
3780820
3780821
3780823
3780825
3780828
3780832
3780833
3780837
3780841
3780849
3780852
3780855
3780856
3780859
3780861
3780864

On Jan 20, 2014 $5 polymer bundle from another FI:

all HBR

3780803
3780826
3780827
3780830
3780836
3780847
3780857
3780860
3780862
3780863
3780866

I can say based on my records that the mixing although at first glance seems totally random there is some possibility that it may be based on some algorithm. I cannot imagine this mixing in bundles is happening manually. If anyone is interested in comparing notes and you are in the GTA area we could meet up.

I have seen similar patterns in the mixed journey $5 bundles.



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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2014, 10:06:40 am »

I'm confused, maybe I'm too old, maybe my brain has been denied oxygen.
In Dec. you looked at a bundle that was missing notes.....I get it.
In Jan you looked at what appears to be the same bundle, now the missing notes are there and other notes are missing....I don't get it.
The whole idea of establishing insert ranges and SNR's in these mixed bundles is truly beyond my scope.

Maybe we could meet at Mayor Ford's hamburger stand and everything will become clear. 8)


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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2014, 03:39:49 pm »

In bricks, missing notes (serial numbers jumping in small batches of numbers like 3 - 5 notes) is as common as the actual serial numbers jumping in orders of 10's or 100,000 notes.    I may be wrong - but I really doubt it is worth noting.
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2014, 10:55:37 pm »

Maybe we could meet at Mayor Ford's hamburger stand and everything will become clear. 8)

Just be careful...never know when someone might start swearing at you in Jamaican patois!

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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2014, 05:53:54 pm »


In Dec. you looked at a bundle that was missing notes.....I get it.
In Jan you looked at what appears to be the same bundle, now the missing notes are there and other notes are missing....I don't get it


In Jan. I looked at a different bundle. It had notes that were missing from the bundle in Dec.

This was just to support the notion that missed notes in any given bundle does not mean that these notes were replaced.


The whole idea of establishing insert ranges and SNR's in these mixed bundles is truly beyond my scope.

Maybe we could meet at Mayor Ford's hamburger stand and everything will become clear. 8)



That was exactly the point.

Perhaps we could still go to hamburger stand and there will be more clarity about SNR ranges and the way they are determined given that the BoC has introduced a Single Note Inspection Model. If anyone in this business cares to provide some clarity on that I am willing to pay for the food. The entertainment I imagine will be free.  ;)

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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2014, 06:07:10 pm »

In my database I keep detailed information about missing notes.

The above was meant to say that in the database there is various levels of details of all the notes that are examined. It was not meant to necessarily suggest that keeping information on missing notes adds any value.

Having said that based on the information  it appears that there is some meaning to the madness behind the mixing of notes in a bundle. If any researcher would like to have this information I would be happy to share it with them.

Wonder what paper money would say if it could talk?
 

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