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CA_Banknotes
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« on: May 29, 2005, 11:05:03 pm »

It may be a spectacular error, but one thing that's catching me is, how did the $5 lithograph AND intaglio printing get on?













[Edited. See my comments below. --BWJM]
« Last Edit: May 30, 2005, 02:12:04 am by BWJM »
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2005, 12:19:50 am »

That is spectacular.  Even though it is eBay, perhaps this should be moved to the error notes section?

Marc :)
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2005, 01:07:17 am »

What I think is, it's a fake error. Somebody just took a real $20 note, scanned a $5 note, then used a computer to overprint the $5 note on top or the real $20 note. I highly doubt CBNC or BABN would get the two denominations mixed up during printing. Just my opinion.
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2005, 01:44:48 am »

The last BABN five printed was AOF dated 2001 and it had K-D signatures. If this is an actual error we should expect to see BABN  Jenkins-Dodge fives in the near future.
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2005, 02:13:55 am »

I've edited the initial post to remove the link to the eBay auction as a preventative measure because I can see this very easily slipping to a discussion of whether or not it is an authentic error, how it was done, and perhaps by whom.  I have included all images from the eBay listing as fodder for a lively discussion here.

I'm also moving the thread to the Errors forum.

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2005, 02:25:27 am »

Now I can vent......

I think it's fake. The lithograph and the intaglio being on at the same tiem is suspicious enough. If it was just the intaglio, I may believe it.

Also, at the bottom, how come the design of the $5 stops there, and there's an obivous photocopy line? Wouldn't the design just continue on?
« Last Edit: May 30, 2005, 02:26:34 am by can-banknotes »
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2005, 02:44:42 am »

Now then, since that's taken care of, let's take a couple swings at it and see if we can't come up with some ideas, eh? ;D

Take a close look at the scan of the big 20 and 5 counters.  The 20 is nice and crisp, but the 5 shows ragged edges.  Also, notice a couple of the blue fibres along the right edge of that scan.  Isn't that odd, they look ragged too! :o  In fact, almost all of the intaglio from the 5 image looks ragged too, even on other scans.  It doesn't really look like intaglio printing.

Now go over to the scan of the portraits.  Look at the holographic strip.  Seems odd that the strip and a margin on either side of it is not covered at all by any part of the 5 image.  It's entirely untouched!  I just tried a little experiment.  I took the fat end of a sharpie and drew a streak across the holographic strip on a $20 from my wallet, then promptly attempted to rub it off with a Kleenex.  The strip itself and a margin on either side came out clean, but the marker outside the margin held fast.  INTERESTING :-X

I'm going with d_polo here.

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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2005, 02:46:28 am »

I also agree with the other comments.   It's highly improbable.  :P

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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2005, 12:15:01 pm »

Yeah, after a close look it does seem like bogus to me.

Marc :)
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2005, 02:09:46 am »

Just to follow-up on this auction...

It ended at $1,825 U.S. or $2,288 Canadian.   Pretty good coin for the seller.  Not bad for a $20 note.  That is a whopping 11,440% return.

Now, I just wish that I could do better in the stock market.  Darn!  >:(

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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2005, 12:10:18 am »

I hate to tell everyone here......

Out of my own dishonesty, I tried to make one of these notes last night.

It worked. I was a bit off, but again, the design did not appear over the holographic strip.

I feel so sorry for whoever bought the note.
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2005, 02:02:53 am »

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I hate to tell everyone here......

Out of my own dishonesty, I tried to make one of these notes last night.

It worked. I was a bit off, but again, the design did not appear over the holographic strip.

I feel so sorry for whoever bought the note.
HA! I KNEW it was almost for sure a fake! Those scans are just screaming inkjet forgery. It should be fun when you attempt to spend that note, can-banknotes. ;)

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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2005, 02:25:29 am »

LOL, BWJM.........

I'm going to show it off to a few people at work first.......

Then I'm going to turn it into the bank. I don't want anyone else, when they get this note to set up another auction like this again.

I did it with a UNC note too, and I have the shoulder notes as well. Everyone here can make up a story about getting it from a ATM brand new, can't they? ;)

And you did make a good point. We haven't seen BABN $5s, yet this was printed on a BABN $20. Raises some alarms, eh?

Mine is more believable. There is no minor line at the bottom, and it was printed on a CBN $20.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2005, 02:28:24 am by can-banknotes »
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2005, 02:53:16 am »

The sad part in all this is that someone just lost a LOT of money. :(

Marc :)
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2005, 04:08:45 am »

I hope that when the buyer receives the note, they discover just how fake it is, and they contact the police with allegations of fraud and forgery.

Be glad that you all are a part of this forum where we can put our collective heads together and be educated collectors. Yet another useful tidbit of knowledge is how to spot a forgery when you see one.

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