NEW WAY TO PRINT!FEP &FER in the same brick!

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To all members. I discovered a new way of printing that SHOULD interest all paper money collectors. I went this morning at the bank through two NEW 10$ Bricks and discovered probably a new style of printing. The brick I went through were not ONE prefix bricks, but two!

I was looking as usual at the bank for inserts in a common brick. the brick began with FEN then I saw a FER and thought It was an insert note, but It was not because I was in the middle of brick and all the subsequence bills were also FER! A particular strange serial number bill was in the middle. ending by 000. This bill was not in the same range than the other.
Here are the serial numbers of these strange insert bill are used to separe two prefix in a brick.

First brick

FEP4732173 Bp#42 FP#28
end of FEP
then came in the middle
FEP4732000 BP# 42 FP# 28
then start
FER980XXXX I forgot to write BP and FP then rest of the serial number for this because I did not know this new way of printing brick and my friend working was busy and could not go again in the vault

for the second I have all information.

second brick

FEP4740176 Bp#36 FP#31
end of FEP
then came in the middle
FEP4804000 Bp#13 FP#18
then start
FER9762125 Bp#42 Fp#28
until the end

I will provide you a scan of these two "000" bills

I highly doubt having for 5000$ value face of insert notes... because I saw these bills are in the insert range...

It looks like you got a whole pile of FER inserts, they fall into the range.

If these bills are really inserts, The printing company should fire the guy or threw the machine that print bills. I have already found 1, 2 or 10 inserts in a brick but to find 500 insert notes in two bricks with no " in between" is something strange. And why putting the "000" in the middle??? to find so many inserts in a brick is probably unusual??? I thought first It was a new printing process, but I did not look the insert range...I am still questionning myself...if it is not a new printing process or BoC just put the "overprinted inserts" in a buddle like other bills and send them to banks...as a collector I must now questioning myself and the other members also about Insert notes...

I have been quite skeptical of inserts for some time, to be honest.

They have no clear way of being identified, and that's a major problem.

I know many coin dealers with more than 30 years of experience won't touch these notes or tell me not to pay a large premium for these notes, as for all we know, they could just be sticking regular notes in the bricks.

I guess they caught up with us on the new $10s, and started sticking regular notes in the bricks.

I have been quite skeptical of inserts for some time, to be honest.

They have no clear way of being identified, and that's a major problem.

I know many coin dealers with more than 30 years of experience won't touch these notes or tell me not to pay a large premium for these notes, as for all we know, they could just be sticking regular notes in the bricks.

I guess they caught up with us on the new $10s, and started sticking regular notes in the bricks.

This is true about inserts... i does seem very odd that one would get 500 inserts. These types of notes tend to be inserted one at a time. I guess we cannot go and confirm that all FER notes above 9.744M are inserts.

The information you provided is very sketchy to say the least. To draw any useful conclusions from it we need to know the following:

What FEP number did the actual full brick of 1000 start with? Had the brick already been re-counted into bundles of 100 and banded with plain white paper? What does " end of FEP " mean? Does this mean FEP 4732173 to 999? Are the plate numbers you quoted correct? The plate numbers should be identicle for 4732000 and 4732173. What inspection notes followed the 4732000 note, if any? What were the full serial numbers on the run of FERs? What regular FEP notes were missing that required the use of FER inserts?

Provide the same information for the second complete1000 note brick.

As far as I know, no-one, has yet received a brick of 1000 continuous CBN upgraded $10 notes. All bricks so far have been re-counted into bundles of 100 stacked in tens to complete a brick. The bricks searched have contained up to 16 ranges that may vary by approximately 300,000. Those who got bundles which contained the 000 notes also found that they were followed by 2 or 3 " inspection " notes which were quite often numbers 222/444. After the inspection notes came any FER inserts, if any,  then 001. Missing regular notes could not be determined because of the mixed range bricks being distributed.

FER inserts are still "a work in progress" and until we begin, hopefully, to get full seqential bricks we just won't know exactly what the insert ranges will be.

It would most helpful if you could answer the above mentioned questions.  

We need to watch closely.  If high FER's are found that do not come in the said insert spot (between 000-001 or 500-501), then there is a division between the insert note ranges.  
But when having a look at my inserts that I have found from my bricks of research (and all these below came from only 2 bricks which were ordered at the same time),
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Confirmed FER Insert Notes:
Brick 1
FER 9739378-377-376  between FEP7215500-01 LOWEST CONFIRMED INSERT  FER 9739376
FER 9779378-377-376  between FEP7279500-01
FER 9824378-377-376  between FEP7351500-01
FER 9929378-377-376  between FEP7519500-01
FER 9834378-377-376  between FEP7367500-01
FER 9924378-377-376  between FEP7511500-01
Brick 2
FER 9919378-377-376  between FEP7503500-01
FER 9914378-377-376  between FEP7503500-01
FER 9744378-377-376  between FEP7223500-01  
FER 9784378-377-376  between FEP7287500-01

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It would be fair to say that these 10 sets of inserts all came from the same 3 sheets, and thus each set of 3 represents one of the 45 positions of the note sheet. (Somebody please let me know if this is right or wrong).

Now, if anyone can nail these down to an exact location on a 5x9 grid by these numbers I would be very impressed.  It is beyond my knowledge.

I guess the important thing here is to identify that these all came from the same respective sheets.
If this is the case, which I belive it is, then that would place this massive find of inserts (found in the appropriate locations), this would place it properly in the range, and I would have to conclude that this collector was one LUCKY guy.

The inserts are the anomaly of the brick, and I guess anomalies have anomalies as well.
For example, I once found 2 FEH inserts (484/984 I can't remember right now), placed in the exact spot of the spoiled note.  This was in an FEC4291000 brick, with the upper half missing circles. The exact note is documented in my findings on past posts.

In an FEP brick I ordered, one of the bundles went exactly like this:
FEP7422434 - 2398 FP 51 BP 32 **The 7422434 would have been the ABC****600 note of a typical brick.
FEP7359672  FP 30 BP 41
FEP7359646  FP 30 BP 41
FEP7351703  FP 53 BP 18
FEP7351702  FP 53 BP 18
FEP7431630  FP 15 BP 37
FEP7375728  FP 34 BP 44
FEP7375727  FP 34 BP 44
FEP7375630  FP 34 BP 44
FEP7447654  FP 20 BP 39
FEP7447653  FP 20 BP 39
FEP7455696  FP 26 BP 28
FEP7431613 - 1560  FP 15 BP 37 **The 7431560 would have been the ABC****699 note of a typical brick.  
Now... try to tell me they have some kind of logical order here...
If they can do this to FEP's they could do it to FER's as well.
So, the FER's may be perfectly in no real logical order, but thanks to all the brick searchers out there who spend alot of time and money on establishing ranges, we can confirm that they are positioned like that as insert notes.

The question I pose is: Would it be possible to have NON insert notes that fall in between the 10 sets of 3 inserts that I discovered from these bricks of notes?

Believe me, if they sent 1000 in a row, like the BEU's, then my life would have been alot easier and I could have recovered some of my stolen money sooner.  
But trying to figure these FEP's out is borderline ridiculous.

Reading these tales of adventure, confusion, frustration, courage and heartache makes me count my lucky charms and be glad that I got a brick of BEU with a fair number of BEV inserts. It was very nice.  000-999, with the radar, and inserts in three spots of the brick. I had to go hunting for them, but I found them all. None of these completely mixed-up bricks like you guys are seeing.

PS: I still have some AU BEV notes available for sale. Check my thread in the Trading Post. $20 each plus s/h.

Here is a scan of these "000" bills

For those who want more information about these bricks will probably have no answer because there are or (were) the propriety of the bank and I cannot look again in these bricks. I wanted to get all these FER bills this morning, but my friend's manager did not want because he feared a shortage of 10$. He said I could get some tomorrow morning if there were not put into the automatic machine. I pick up some FER980XXXX bills for a certain amount today.

FER9807XXXX BP# 13
                      FP# 22

If all the FER I got today are inserts...believe me, the man that printed these bills must have drunk to much during the week-end because they had to replace a lot of FEP in these two bricks! I never met him, but he makes me the LUCKY collector in Canada!

How much for these kind of sequence??? According to you all guys. I'm talking per bills?

To Bittburger:  can you give the FP and BP numbers of the FEP4804000 and FEP4732000?  Thanks.

The FP BP's of the 2 notes in question in the prior post will be the same as the FER FP BP's that were surrounding those notes.