Missing Radar Notes From Bricks (BoC Tampering)

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Well,

For all the Brick Searchers out there I am going to say what everyone is thinking....  

"[size=22]Why do the bundles JUST miss most of the Radar Notes?[/size]"  

I have been doing bricks for quite sometime (Mostly Journey $5) and on more occasions than I can count I just miss the Radar Notes by a close as 8 - 10 notes. My Bricks are from Sealed Blocks so I can rule out Bank or Branch tampering. I usually get enough sampling that I actually finally end up with the bundle of each side of the Radar notes.  

Here is what I found.... Usually there is 10 notes missing that include the Radar note. Coincidence, I think NOT!!!  :-/

So My Question is How many OTHER people have seen this phenomenon? What is the BoC doing? Are they building special sets for their own auctions? Are people who work there removing these notes for themselfs or to get at face and sell for them selfs. Or are they doing favors for people with VERY deep pockets.  :-/

[size=16]What about Solid Digit Notes? Million Notes, Ladder Notes?[/size]   :-/

Who Actually has found these notes in the Journey Series with Brick Searches?  

I think there is something going on at BoC.. Intentional or Just a few rogue employees? So I ask.... [size=16]WHAT IS GOING ON???[/size]  

I've seen this too - searching when I worked at TD Canada Trust.  I always suspected Securicor/Brinks...

koremore

I had observed this phenomenon, and it's simply a question of statistics and probability...Don't forget that with the new mixed-up bricks from the CBN, you're absolutely not assured to get a radar note in each brick, as it was the case until about one year ago. Remenber that there is 1 radar note per 1000 notes, in any given serie.  

Hence, you can get a sequence with many bricks without anyhing interesting (no special number of any kind), and later you can have a sequence of bricks with two, three or even four radars notes in them...On long-term, you should still get 1 radar note per 1000 notes, but they are no more equally distributed among the bricks.  They tends to be concentrated in less bricks.  Instead having as many radars as bricks, my experience tend to give about two "empty" bricks per "full" brick.  But my ratio of radar notes is still lower than one to one (but I have only a sample of 22 bricks over one year span).  I don't consider this apparent deviation as really significant, unless I can have a better sample (over 100 bricks).  I have a friend who got 4 radars in one brick and he got in many instances two or three radars per brick, but as me, he has also his share of empty bricks.  

It's not (yet) the case with BABN, which kept the good "ol'fashioned" arrangement of 1000 consecutively notes per brick, so you're still assured to get at least the radar note, and sometimes, a repeater and with a good dose of luck, the million numbered note (this has appened to my friend last week: he a got the note #5000000 in his brick .).

I don't believe that there is a sort of "conspiracy", or any kind of "tampering" by the BoC... They don't have time to spend on this issue.  Don't be fooled by what you percieve from your point of view...  :-/.

So, don't lose hope: the good numbers are still there, they are just more concentrated in fewer bricks... :-/ :-/

Hi There,

Good information... Glad to know some people are getting good notes.  

I draw from my Experience. I do about 32 Bricks a month   and this is something I have found strange. As I mentioned due to the quantity on MANY occasions I actually get the bundle from eitther side of a radar (In the mixed bricks) and there are 10 - 20 missing notes in between that includes the Radar Note. With everything I do I rarely get Radar Notes. Occasionally 4 digits, a few 3 digit and no 2-digit for a VERY long time.  

I am not sure but BoC COULD be trying to do something for their Auctions as they made a LOT of money from the Last Auctions. It is all about Profit!  

I once also thought that the BOC was up to no good, but like copperate stated sometimes you get 4 radars and sometimes you get none. It basically averages out to 1 per brick.

It is all about Profit!  

To some perhaps-- but not the BOC.

I used to search many bricks about a year ago in search of the elusive $10 2003 BEK change-over, BEL and BER.  In all the bricks I searched I only found 2 BEK, 0 BEL and 0 2003 BER.  

Later I bought a FDY & FEE from a CPM member here -- and he told me he was a regular brick searcher (from Edmonton).  He was always looking through new bricks and the bank got his order mixed up and gave him an old 1/2 brick (I was only interested in old bricks here-- since chances of getting the above notes were better in old bricks).  Anyways the bank nearly held that half a brick of old notes back.  They apologized  to him (as they were not new) and told him that the BOC wanted these notes recalled, and they'd get him new ones if he preferred.  He said he'd take the old notes.  

That turned to be a great decision as there were 2 or 3 BEL's and 2 or 3 2003 BER's in that half brick.   Now that's what I call a lucky find.  Personally I'm never that lucky-- one of the reasons I've given up brick searching.  Also my bank is never that accomodating.

I really doubt BOC's out to beat the brick searchers.  Perhaps there are people at Securicor/Brinks who are in the know but they'd have to be management -- allowed to tamper with it.  Great bills pass through casinos but you're not allowed (like most bank tellers) to even touch the money.

 People forget how rare radars are: And the ones you're talking about are indeed the "holy grail" of special numbered notes.  

Good point, walktothewater.  It's easy to forget that, which explains why these notes have a hefty premium, especially the "best" ones:  solid, ascending/descending ladder, ladder, # million...).

 For the million numbered note, it's one per MILLION note, so its translate by one per 1000 bricks!! .  it's a lot of notes!  Put all together, these million notes weights about one ton.  

And when we say that number, it doesn't means that you will get the million after 1000 bricks!  My friend is a brick searcher since at least 10 years and it's his first million numbered note he find this way...and I'm sure that he sifted more than 1000 bricks since...I know somebody else who got recently a solid radar in one of his bricks...

For me, it's exactly as a lottery:  you can buy 1 000 000  tickets (which absolutely not guarantee you to win the first prize) and win nothing , but you brother can purchase only one ticket and get the jackpot...it's that, the statistics:  they only states the odds to win, no guarantee to win, or even to lose....

Good insight!  

So....

Then this leads to WHY does CBN do mixed bricks? To fool the people who quickly search for good notes or so the notes are not so easily found?  :-/

That's another question which have nothing to do with statistics, and for which I have no explanations...
 :-/ :-/ :-/ .

 I can only guess that's not the best way to put 1000 notes together.  The CBN have its reasons that noboby knows...