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Hi. There seem to be so many knowledgeable members here. I found a few pieces of paper at home. They're not from Canada but maybe someone would know if these are anything special?

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Old! Really old! Looks like they are from the 1790's or early 1800's
Does it have a year on them?

Thanks for your replies!

I can't quite read the dates on all the notes (I have a few others similar) but the ones I can read are in the 1830's to 1850's. rp was right on the money.

These were passed to me because I'm the only one in my familly who collects money.  But usually I only collect redeamable notes and only ones I can find/afford in AU/Unc. So I feel weird putting these with the rest of my collection. I've given away a few but I guess I better hold onto those I still have just in case.  :-?

Is there anywhere to get access to that $800 catalogue of US obsoletes??

The Bank of Belleville (State of Illinois) $2 note of the 1850's period is listed as a COUNTERFEIT in Haxby's "United States Obsolete Banknotes 1782-1866" (4 Volumes, published in 1988). It is listed there as #IL-30-C4 (the corresponding genuine note is #IL-30-G4).

The counterfeit is illustrated in the catalogue and has the two signatures of IDENTICAL style, of IDENTICAL size, and in the IDENTICAL locations as on AL-Bob's example. The counterfeit was priced at $35.00 in VG in 1988 which suggests that it is quite rare. The genuine note of this issue is listed by Haxby as SENC (i.e., Surviving Examples Not Confirmed).

Remember that Haxby's 4-volume catalogue was published 18 years ago and that it has never been revised or reprinted. I seem to recall that the original cost of the catalogue in 1988 was about US$175.00.  

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The Bank of Massillon (State of Ohio) $5 note dated 1849(?) is listed as #OH-285-G8a in Haxby's "United States Obsolete Banknotes 1782-1866" (4 Volumes, published in 1988)

This note was priced at $25.00 in VG in 1988 which suggests that it is quite scarce.  

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Thanks for the info Ottawa! Here are the others that I also received...

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this one's in even worse condition!!

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the last one...

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BANK OF TROY (City of Troy, State of New York) $3 issued in the 1840's and 1850's. Genuine note is catalogued by Haxby at $100 in VG, Counterfeit catalogues at $30 in VG. Your note is most likely(?) a counterfeit.

ULSTER COUNTY BANK (City of Kingston, State of New York) $3 issued in the 1850's. Catalogue value is $30 in VG.

BANK OF WISCONSIN (City of Green Bay, State of Wisconsin) $10 issued in the 1830's. Catalogue value $65 in VG.

The Haxby catalogue that was published 18 years ago does not list prices for notes in grades below VG --- your notes are only Fair to Good at best. All of your notes appear to be scarce to rare but they are defective. However, the BANK OF TROY note could be improved a bit by "unrolling" the folds at the right-hand side.

Some buyers might be interested in these notes for "salvage" purposes, i.e., for use in restoring/repairing other defective notes of the same type. The best vehicle for disposal would be eBay where you could conceivably get a reasonable price on some pieces.

Thanks again Ottawa! Well if these interest anyone I could trade them for any half decent Bank of Canada note  :-/

AL-Bob