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Hudson A B
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« on: November 23, 2006, 11:57:19 pm »

Will be on File with Edmonton City Police.

Lovely incident (3rd time)
Lost, some random stuff, some cash, and the only thing I had was the serial number to one of the notes. I would like to get it back if anyone comes across it at any time.

1954 $1, serial number is:
U/M 0391953  not - so - hot- condition.

Lol, the theives left a 25 c note. Probably didn't know what to do with it.

If you know where this single is, please let me know, it might be part of a very large string of break ins using (what I suspect due to the marks) perhaps a slim-jim.

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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2006, 12:37:51 am »

Gee Hudson,  with your break and enter luck... you better watch out for lightning strikes...   :-/

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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2006, 12:51:21 am »

Maybe its the same guy cause he knows what he is going to find.

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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2006, 01:10:27 am »

Archey, you bring a good point.  That aspect has been looked at and analysed.  It is unlikely. Will leave that there.  Break ins are very common here. (yay!)  :-/ :P :'( (yes that demands all three faces).

Lol- funny coinsplus how you should mention the lightning strike.   On August 12th, 2001 or 2002... on a golf course....  Anyway, happy to be alive :)

All in all, out of all that, things could be MUCH worse, but I WANT MY BILL ! Waah! (That is me pouting) lol

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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2006, 01:27:03 am »

hudson do you have a coin shop
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2006, 02:42:17 am »

Hudson if I were you, I'd get myself some kind of surveillance camera system or something(pin hole camera).

3 times is 3 times too many. :(


Sorry  :'(


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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2006, 03:26:42 am »

I am taking appropriate actions to better protect myself.

But sorry, no coin shop :(  

I agree. 3 times is too many. And that is just in the last 3 months!  Anyway, hope all has better luck than I, and  if you see the note down the road, please let me know!  (As this could be a repeat theif - based on circumstances and tools used)
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2006, 07:45:13 am »

Jeez, have you walked under a lot of ladders or had swarms of black cats cross your path??  :(

You might also set up a webcam or something so that you can watch your house when you're not home...you could probably monitor your house through your cellphone if you have the right kind.

A blood-thirsty dog or two on the premises might help too!  :D

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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2006, 02:24:57 pm »

you do not have to have vicious dogs all you need is a sign saying alarm system or beware of dog
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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2006, 07:19:53 pm »

I have reported stolen items and breakins so many times. The info goes to a group of dealers plus some extra people.

I started to write some basic information of prevention, primarily at shows, but including homes and shops.

A breakin in Alberta a couple of years ago. The owner of coins and notes had a monster safe built in the basement, the walk in type. The thieves disabled the alarm system, and then spent hours cutting through the steel walls with metal cutting discs. They got everything. If they really want it, they will get it.

Step #1, keep the really good stuff in the bank.
Step #2, keep your mouth shut, do not tell everyone that you collect coins, paper money or other valuables.
Other things, do all your mailing through a PO Box. These are cheap insurance. Contact Hugh Woods about insurance on your items.

Any suggestions? I will complete the story someday.

We just had a dealer robbed in the London, Ontario area. $200,000 or more, including bullion, key date coins and lots of 1935-54 notes.

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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2006, 01:43:27 pm »

get a safety deposit box (large) in a bank and a quality alarm system.

doesnt get yer notes back, but should help you next time,

theft sucks big time, esp when its something you have not just a monetary value with but a senitmental one.

almost makes you want to live in Saudi.....

instant amputee to the lucky theif who is caught.  not saying its right but its one HELL of a deterrent!
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2006, 03:13:46 pm »

Hello Rick,

Which dealer in London, Ontario got robbed?   I didn't hear about this one.  

Thanks,

Michael
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2006, 10:04:59 pm »

The dealer was not from London, but elsewhere. He was visiting following a show, his car was broken into and he was cleaned out. Many thefts occur when dealers are followed from shows.

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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2006, 02:42:51 pm »

Three times huh? I usually keep most of my stuff in a safety deposit box. I haven't been busted into yet, except once, but I do have a monitored alarm system. I made sure to advertise that with a couple of signs around the house, a dog and an erratic work schedule. That would at least deal with most punks or punkettes. Speaking for my nieghbour (He was busted in seven times) the police and his insurance company said that they came after the new stuff the insurance paid for only for them to break in again, and again, etc. That's this thief's primary reason, they know that there will be new stuff available. Also the house also had a history of being a 'grow-op' from a previous owner who himself was broken into before.
You are gonna have to assume they will be back Huds. Don't take any half measures.

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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2006, 12:20:38 pm »

A break-in is always a very nasty thing. However, I always find it difficult to understand why collectors with valuable material would keep anything at home without a decent alarm system. Even with an alarm system at my place I'm perpetually worried about break-ins (both random and premeditated).

One thing that we often forget is that collectors have a moral RESPONSIBILITY to look after their material for the benefit of future generations of collectors. Just imagine what could happen to some stolen Devil's Face asterisk notes or rare 1954 *C/I replacement notes. It's quite possible that they might end up being spent at a local beer store and be lost forever to the collecting community....
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" Buy the very best notes that you can afford and keep them for at least 10 years. " (Richard D. Lockwood, private communication, 1978).
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2006, 01:32:58 pm »

At the last Paris show I saw a chap who had a break-in and lost all his coins.  He was seriously depressed as he looked over the coins in the dealers' cabinets (and considered the time it would take to replace his loses).  Anyway... I got talking to a dealer and he was very serious about security.  Some of his recommendations include:
1) if you subscribe to CCN or some kind of auction publication, either have it sent to a P.O box, or sent in an envelope.  I thought this was a good idea.  

2) never tell anyone that you collect.  The way word gets around, and exagerration, letting people know you collect can be an invitation for trouble.

3) get a safety deposit box for the very dear & irreplacable notes/items in your collection

In other words: keep a super low profile about what you have, even use a PO box for ebay transactions.  Consider that there's many "cons" and thiefs who'd love to remove some of your holdings.    You can never be too safe!

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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2006, 01:57:49 pm »

Good points on security, guys. When I read/hear about circumstances of some of these thefts it sure does smell fishy though.
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2006, 02:29:05 pm »

So far, several people described how a package or material should be sent to a collector. Most dealers send it with another name and address on the return label. I send my stuff with my name and PO box on the return label, and nothing to indicate the product is numismatic in nature.

Rent a PO box, under $100 a year.
Keep your mouth shut about your activities, don't tell people you collect anything.
Get an unlisted phone number.
A bank safety deposit box is cheap, for the good stuff!
Home alarms are good, easily defeated however.
Big dogs and the signs of a big dog are good too.
Watch the people at shows, most robberies take place following a show. They follow you, and then case out your place. I know of one dealer who was followed home, his wife and children held a gun point until he coughed up the material.
If no one knows you are a collector, and don't have a listed phone number, and use a PO box, the bad guys can't find you and don't know about you. For those that subscribe to CCN and other publications, such things get sent to a PO box. At this stage in mailings, it matters not one bit what the guy writes on the package, no one sees it anyway, except you.

Use caution, remember, a person with easily disposable goods, like money, is a target.  Nothing easier to sell than money, paper, coins, gold, silver bullion. Think like a crook, and react accordingly.

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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2006, 09:31:46 pm »

My two cents on break ins. I got hit about 5 years ago for about $20 K. Stereos, laptops, jewelery, cds, dvds on and on. They say my wife put two kids in the car and witin 5 minutes of her leaving they were in and out. I go for the alarm, strange schedule routine. I have a steel gun box. They can't carry it out to open later. If they get in there, paper money is the least of my worries. As far as shipping goes. I get notes shipped to the university I work at. A first class shipping receiving department, and they get so much mail that they aren't even going to notice the few small packages get a couple times a month.

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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2006, 12:16:39 am »

I personally know a dealer who was cased out and then robbed (cleaned out) one night.  And that was a store.  He has also had a gun drawn on him.    Not the safest, but he lives today, so the most important thing was saved. (Him)
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