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twoinvallarta
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This could affect many in the collecting/investment community.
What's good for America....rest assured our goverment will act accordingly.Why just last week they announced our very own no fly list, American made.
Makes you wonder-you're too guilty to fly(dangerous to the safety of an aircraft and its passangers) but not guilty enough to charge??!! Incredible,you're guilty until proven innocent.

IMPORTANT AND URGENT WARNING FORANYONE WITH A BANK SAFE DEPOSIT BOX:
U.S DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY HAS TOLD BANKS - IN WRITING - IT MAY INSPECT SAFE DEPOSIT BOXES WITHOUT WARRANT AND SIEZE ANY GOLD, SILVER GUNS OR OTHER VALUABLES IT FINDS INSIDE THOSE BOXES!

By: Hal Turner


According to in-house memos now circulating, the DHS has issued orders to banks across America which announce to them that "under the Patriot Act" (whatever that crap means) the DHS has the absolute right to seize, without any warrant whatsoever, any and all customer bank accounts, to make "periodic and unannounced" visits to any bank to open and inspect the contents of "selected safe deposit boxes."

Further, these boxes, taken from a DHS list of people who are considered "hostile to the present government, citizens who have visited outside the United States before or after 9/11 to countries now considered to be hostile to this country" " :Russia, Peoples Republic of China, Mexico, Guatemala, Spain, Italy, Egypt, France, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Turkey or the Sudan" or any citizen who has a bank account in any of those listed countries are considered to be of legitimate interest in the "ongoing investigations into foreign and domestic terrorism."

Further, the DHA "shall, at the discretion of the agent supervising the search, remove, photograph or seize as evidence" any of the following items"bar gold, gold coins, firearms of any kind unless manufactured prior to 1878, documents such as passports or foreign bank account records, pornography or any material that, in the opinion of the agent, shall be deemed of to be of a contraband nature."

DHS memos also state that banks are informed that any bank employee, on any level, that releases "improper" "classified DHS Security information" to any member of the public, to include the customers whose boxes have been clandestinely opened and inspected and "any other party, to include members of the media" and further "that the posting of any such information on the internet will be grounds for the immediate termination of the said employee or employees and their prosecution under the Patriot Act."

Currently, the two major targets of these completely illegal and warrantless searches and seizures, are the California-based Bank of America and the Compass Bank. The former is one of the largest banks in the United States and Compass Bank ( Compass Bancshares, Inc). is a $30.1 billion Southwestern financial holding company which operates 385 full-service banking centers including 139 in Texas, 89 in Alabama, 73 in Arizona, 42 in Florida, 32 in Colorado and 10 in New Mexico.

Of extraordinary interest to the DHS are Bank of America records relating to their Bank Of America <>'SafeSend Money to Mexico'<> program.

It should be noted that the DHS states that "in the event that the owners of these confiscated objects do not file an administrative complaint within three (3) months subsequent to said confiscation, the aforesaid items shall pass to the permanent custody of the DHS"

Isn't that wonderful? You and your wife are visiting relatives in France, Uncle Einar's $100,000 collection of gold coins is lifted out of your box and you don't get back to the United States for two months and don't check your looted box for another four months. My, some nice DHS person, or maybe two, has a nice new BMW to show off to his neighbors. Tough luck, Uncle Einar!

Oh, and you might like to know that the spate of "robberies" of bank credit card and personal data that took place in and around February of 2005, were not robberies at all.

The DHS, using its muscle, simply went off with trucks full of data to mine at their leisure. The banks involved said nothing, and will say nothing.

If they do, their people will be at a nice Federal country club, making shoes for the Army while the DHS bosses, to include the FEMA thieves, will be buying property on Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills or Palm Desert. Or some nice marina like Marine del Ray to keep their nice new 150' yacht.

To date, in California alone (the only report I have seen) over 1,500 banks have been "visited" and boxes rifled between January, 2005 and January, 2006.

 
SECOND INDEPENDENT SOURCE

Another source for this information reports as follows:

. . . . . .One other more obscure sign of an "impending disaster" is the
alarming notice being put out by Bank of America officials, who in
recent weeks have been secretly instructing bank managers and
employees how to deal with customers in the case of a "national
emergency."

And to verify this claim as well as LA being a feasible target, a Bank
of America manager from Irvine, Ca., reported two weeks ago that her
bank held a "workshop" where the last two days were dedicated to
discussing new security measures.

According to the branch manager, the workshop included members
from the Homeland Security Office who instructed employees how to
field calls from customers and what they are to tell them in the event
of a national disaster.

Apparently, the manager was told how only agents from Homeland
Security, during such a disaster, would be in charge of opening safe
deposit boxes and determining what items would be given to bank
customers.

The manager then reported that she was instructed that no weapons,cash,
gold, or silver will be allowed to leave the bank and only various
paperwork will be given to its owners. After discussing the matter with
them at length, she and the other employees were then told "not to
discuss the subject with anyone."

Since speaking anonymously for fear of Homeland Security reprisals,
the bank manager has recently given notice she is leaving Bank of
America.

And to verify this claim, another Houston resident alerted about the
California case, decided to recently question a local bank employee
about any Homeland Security visits in Houston.

"I found the news alarming and decided to find out more myself," said
the Houston resident wishing to remain anonymous. "On a trip to my
bank here in Houston, I remarked to a young bank employee "well I
guess you've been told all that stuff by the manager and the Homeland
Security about what to tell your customers."

"And to my amazement, the young woman came right out and said
yes she'd been through all that, then whispered to me across the
counter, "But we're not supposed to talk about - I could lose my
job."


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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2007, 11:29:45 pm »

Yikes. Canada won't be far behind. Maybe we should think about investing in a safe. Better yet, stocks in Safe manufacturing companies denominated in Chinese Euros.  :)

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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2007, 11:54:56 pm »

I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something, but why is this important to me, a Canadian with a bank safe deposit box?  Can my box be opened and contents confiscated?
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2007, 01:45:12 am »



-sounds a lot like those "select wiretaps, and select email searches"  Bush touted before it was uncovered that virtually all calls and emails are searched.

-geez... i've been to Mexico.  Didn't think it was an enemy state of US and A.

-firearms prior to 1878.  where in the world did they pull that date from?

Another seriously messed up US policy from Bush.  How shocking ::)  I do wonder how much pressure there will be for Canada to have a similar type of policy.
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2007, 05:51:04 am »

This smells like an 'urban legend' but a quick check on www.snopes.com doesn't show it.  Even if debunked, the 'do not tell' provisions of the Patriot Act means we can never be sure ....  Big Brother really is out there. ;-)

blumax

later:

Okay, hoax confirmed.  Been around since early 2006,

See: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/safedeposit.asp

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« Last Edit: June 28, 2007, 06:09:50 am by blumax »
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2007, 10:11:19 am »

hmmmmm....Thanks for that link blumax.

Makes you wonder what to believe anymore.I do know our politicians said we would never have a "No Fly List",but after great pressure from the US last week one was implemented here in Canada.

As for HomeLand Security here's an interesting "truth"-The dept. is presently telling the Canadian gov they must submit ALL names to US gov as something like 80% of domestic flights in Canada venture in to US air space,so they have a right to the names on those planes.

A personal experience with Homeland Security-My wife had a USD check to cash,given to her in Mexico.We went to our bank of 12 years in Puerto Vallarta to cash it-they know us well.The bank Manager told my wife they must take her fingerprints for Homeland Security as it is a USD check over 10k,because of money laundering.
A Canadian with a US check who lives in Mexico has to submit her prints to Homeland Security?! The Manager(we know him very well also),stated this is not voluntary but mandatory.We asked why tthey would comply with such an outrageous request and affront to their sovreinty,Mexicans are very nationalistic.He stated if we do not comply the US of A will refuse to do business with their bank.He called it economic blackmail.
My wife has NEVER been fingerprinted in her life,'cept to have a Security Clear with the Canadian Gov. Now Homeland Security has her prints.

Back to the safety deposit box-their is precedence.So perhaps we should err on the side of caution before it's too late?
Or I'm paranoid lol! :-\

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2007, 03:47:08 pm »

In reference to BWJM's post below:

Sorry BWJM, I jumped the gun on this one and have therefore deleted my comments. I missed blumax's earlier post about the hoax. I wasn't trying to be funny although there seems to be no shortage of humorous comments on this Forum.

"To err is human, to forgive divine" or so they say .....
« Last Edit: June 29, 2007, 04:25:31 pm by Ottawa »

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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2007, 08:59:43 pm »

Hey, Ottawa - I bet you read threads fully before posting, right? ;D

Either that, or you must be trying to be funny, because exactly two posts up, blumax posted the exact same link.

Enh, I didn't laugh. It wasn't that funny.

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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2008, 07:43:41 pm »

This is the second report I've seen in as many days by main stream media(ABC NEWS) of breaking in to safety deposit boxes with out search warrants.Under the guise of what ever suits the moment.
Your paper collection could be next?

Watch the video as well as read the story.

Not-So-Safe-Deposit Boxes: States Seize Citizens' Property to Balance Their Budgets

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4832471&page=1

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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2008, 04:48:30 pm »

I am confused, if you don't go to your safety deposit box in 3 years they just sell or destroy everything in side?


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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2008, 01:54:02 am »

Usually before they fo so (break into it) it's because they we're no activity (i.e. deposit, withdraw at you bank) for 3 whole years in your account we're the safety box fees goes through, then the account would have to be in 'RED".

They have someone from a company to break into it with 2 employes to sign a registry saying what was into the safe, all money would then be sent to the government, and all other papers to remain at your bank in an envelop sealed in case the person would show up anytime later.

If someone would wake-up a few years after they're some paper to fill out to reclaim the money from the government which would be sent back with some interest...

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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2008, 09:07:15 am »

wow thats odd.


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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2008, 08:20:50 pm »

As for me.......I gave up my safety deposit box 6 years ago, as I enjoy looking at my bank notes every so often.....sometimes daily ;D. Before anyone decides to warn me about break ins and thefts, I would give any member 100.00 and 1 hour to try and find my collection in my house, as I'm certain they could not find it, and no it's not in a safe ;). For those Forum members, whose collections are worthy of a vault, I wouldn't start worrying about this invasion of bank safety deposit boxes, until this law comes into effect when who knows when ???.
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2008, 08:31:12 pm »

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I would give any member 100.00 and 1 hour
 to try and find my collection in my house, as I'm certain they could not find it, and no it's not in a safe

you would have to up the stakes to make it worthwhile ;D
« Last Edit: June 07, 2008, 08:33:36 pm by friedsquid »



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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2008, 09:26:42 am »

Hey Nova

Why don`t you paint a big bulleye on the roof of your house and a welcome mat at you front door saying "come on in whats mine is yours".
 

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