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Seth
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« on: September 16, 2015, 07:31:14 pm »

Hi all
Please report 2015 $20 new prefix sightings in this thread. So far we're at FWS and FWT. Thanks.

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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2015, 12:37:28 am »

This is what the Serial Number Database is for.  Forum members should be entering their notes to the SNDB so that the data is properly collected and disseminated through existing channels and gets included with the rest of the data.
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2015, 12:52:08 am »

Darn typo. I meant to say:

Hi BWJM. You said recently that you weren't planning on differentiating between 2012 and 2015 $20s in the SNDB. So there's no way to use it to find out which $20 prefixes are 2012 and which are 2015. That's why I started this thread.

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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2015, 01:07:31 pm »

I also said "at this time".

The changeovers are not yet known.  When they are, they will be added to the SNDB just like all other changeovers.  So right in the middle of the FW- series, you'll see a changeover to the commemorative notes, and another changeover back to the regular notes.  Or maybe not... Maybe those will be the last polymer $20s produced before whatever the next series is.

So, keep adding your notes to the SNDB please.  No separate "post your notes" thread is required, for this topic, or any other group of notes already covered by the SNDB.  When the official changeovers are known, the SNDB will be updated.

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2015, 02:58:42 pm »

I'd still like to know, as soon as possible when they are first sighted, when new 2015 $20 prefixes are out. So yes, please do enter them into the SNDB, which will mark them as 2012 $20s for now. But please also, if you wish to help me out, let me know in this thread when you find a new one, since the SNDB won't give us that info at this time. Thanks.

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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2015, 10:25:28 pm »

I don't think it would be too difficult to work with what we currently have for the SNDB as there will very likely only be 4 prefixes... FWS, FWT, FWU, FWV.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2015, 10:34:10 pm »

I don't think it would be too difficult to work with what we currently have for the SNDB as there will very likely only be 4 prefixes... FWS, FWT, FWU, FWV.

I thought there is a 2012 FWS with the commemorative design as shown by the Bank of Canada Museum.

I am  not sure if people who are finding the low FWS are finding a 2012 or a 2015.

If it is like other notes such as FKZ, AMK, BSW, FTH etc. where is likely that some of the early versions of these notes may have been used in circulation trials of some type.

It is not hard to fathom that the BoC may have produced some notes using newer substrate sheets but on old plates. Is there a possibility that they got out and be found?


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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2015, 02:07:33 am »

I thought there is a 2012 FWS with the commemorative design as shown by the Bank of Canada Museum. I am  not sure if people who are finding the low FWS are finding a 2012 or a 2015.

That's interesting, yes it does seem to show an "Issue 2012" on the face of a note with the commemorative hologram. FWS0325512. I wonder if that really exists or if it's a composite image.

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2015, 12:07:55 pm »

My special $20s that start with "04" are issued in 2015

So maybe there is a change over in dates from '03' to '04'

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2015, 03:54:28 pm »

That's interesting, yes it does seem to show an "Issue 2012" on the face of a note with the commemorative hologram. FWS0325512. I wonder if that really exists or if it's a composite image.

This is a museum piece. Hopefully it is real.

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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2015, 04:09:48 pm »

This is a museum piece. Hopefully it is real.

If it isn't real, it wouldn't be the first time a doctored image has appeared on the BoC museum website. I remember a controversy about an image of a 1935 French note with an obviously computer generated pixellated serial number from an English issue on it.

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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2015, 01:50:14 am »

That's interesting, yes it does seem to show an "Issue 2012" on the face of a note with the commemorative hologram. FWS0325512. I wonder if that really exists or if it's a composite image.

The image linked above no longer says "Issue 2012", it now clearly says "Issue 2015".

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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2015, 06:11:43 pm »

The image linked above no longer says "Issue 2012", it now clearly says "Issue 2015".

Vow! Can you even trust a museum anymore? Did anyone notice another problem. Look very carefully.

Thx for bringing it to the attention of this post. Much appreciated.

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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2015, 06:57:38 pm »

Vow! Can you even trust a museum anymore? Did anyone notice another problem. Look very carefully.

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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2015, 07:21:10 pm »

The plate #s on each side are different.

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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2015, 07:22:23 pm »

You can read the serial number on the front side matching the reverse photo.

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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2015, 07:30:04 pm »

Which brings to question if the photos clearly were taken of one original note, why would they photoshop the plate # and the date?

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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2015, 08:00:21 pm »

Jeez... At this rate, we'll find that Ottawa is spelled wrong.
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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2015, 09:27:39 pm »

Which brings to question if the photos clearly were taken of one original note, why would they photoshop the plate # and the date?

At this rate one may not even know what is photoshoped and what is real. I mean can you blame people of e-bay trying to fabricate errors. They probably are learning their tricks from the source :D

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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2015, 09:28:54 pm »

The plate #s on each side are different.

Wait a few more days and this will also be changed. ;)

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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2015, 10:24:23 pm »

The plate #s on each side are different.

Mystery deepens. The FPN appears to be 51. So is BAI back in business??? or is CBN now doing 51.

The BPN appears to be 45.

Based on the FWS that I have and assuming 200 skip number the BPN corresponding to the serial number would be 48 by my count. The BPN shown on the note for the prefix and the number appears to be 45.

Go figure. Perhaps this note was indeed printed in some other Ottawa.

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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2015, 07:00:39 am »

I have a hard time reading the FP its 51 or 57, but the BP is definitely 48

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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2015, 11:49:52 pm »

I have a hard time reading the FP its 51 or 57, but the BP is definitely 48

Sent you a link with a higher resolution image via PM

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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2015, 12:05:45 am »

I have a hard time reading the FP its 51 or 57, but the BP is definitely 48

I have the before and after images. The after image shows 48 the before image shows something different which to me appears to be 45.

In any case something strange and something that certainly needs more explanation considering that this is a virtual exhibit of a real note and not a rendition.

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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2015, 07:29:51 pm »

this is a virtual exhibit of a real note and not a rendition.

We don't know that it's not a rendition. In fact the evidence (different plate numbers and changing year of issue) confirms that it almost certainly is. As I said earlier, doctored images have been on the BoC Museum website before. This isn't new.

Oh, by the way, FWU was reported in a different forum that I read.

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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2015, 12:30:43 pm »

Ping Rupiah

I see you entered a new prefix FWV into the SNDB. Is FWV issue of 2015 or 2012? Thanks.


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« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2015, 12:33:48 am »

Ping Rupiah

I see you entered a new prefix FWV into the SNDB. Is FWV issue of 2015 or 2012? Thanks.



All FWV so far have been 2015.

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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2015, 12:36:46 am »

We don't know that it's not a rendition. In fact the evidence (different plate numbers and changing year of issue) confirms that it almost certainly is. As I said earlier, doctored images have been on the BoC Museum website before. This isn't new.

Oh, by the way, FWU was reported in a different forum that I read.

Image completely replaced with FWS 0000004 - PN48

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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2015, 05:48:41 pm »

  Found my first two 2015 issue notes today!  One was prefix FWT and one was prefix FWU.

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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2015, 09:20:07 am »

Is anyone finding circulated commemorative $20s mixed in with the regular issue? Over at Where's Willy we're all wondering why it's been more than a month and nobody has a single hit on the commemorative $20s yet.

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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2015, 01:16:31 pm »

Is anyone finding circulated commemorative $20s mixed in with the regular issue? Over at Where's Willy we're all wondering why it's been more than a month and nobody has a single hit on the commemorative $20s yet.

Here in Toronto I got a few in change from a couple of grocery stores.
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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2015, 09:48:14 pm »

Is anyone finding circulated commemorative $20s mixed in with the regular issue? Over at Where's Willy we're all wondering why it's been more than a month and nobody has a single hit on the commemorative $20s yet.

  The two that I found were mixed in with a bunch of regular ones.

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« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2015, 10:31:23 pm »

Is anyone finding circulated commemorative $20s mixed in with the regular issue? Over at Where's Willy we're all wondering why it's been more than a month and nobody has a single hit on the commemorative $20s yet.

I am finding 5 in 100 notes from circulation that are either FMS, FMT, FMU and FMV. I have had no luck finding FMU and FMV in anything but circulated mixed with regular

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« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2015, 11:25:17 pm »

they aren't hard to come by. I've seen all 4 prefixes here in Montreal.
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« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2015, 07:12:38 pm »

Seen in the numicanada forum from a poster who claims to have received this info from the Bank of Canada:


FWS 0000000 a 9998999 totals 9 999 000
FWT 0000000 a 9998999 totals 9 999 000
FWU 0000000 a 9998999 totals 9 999 000
FWV 0000000 a 9998999 totals 9 999 000
FWW 0000000 a 3473999 totals 3 474 000
grand totals 43 470 000

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« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2015, 08:11:33 pm »

Just emailed scan of FWS 0111779 21/21 to sndb (low note) Issue is 2015.

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« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2015, 08:39:58 pm »

Just emailed scan of FWS 0111779 21/21 to sndb (low note) Issue is 2015.

Bank of Canada Museum has FWS 0000004 listed on their website last time I had checked 10 days ago.

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« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2015, 05:32:55 am »

Just entered next high note for FWV.  FWV 5945738 mixed with other 20's and circulated.  Issued in 2015

 

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