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« on: May 23, 2007, 08:31:47 pm »

Has any inserts in the 2006 AOF banknotes been found?  I was just checking the other prefixes and topics on this forum and it appears that we have inserts in all of the 2006 prefixes except for AOF.  If anyone has found inserts what prefix are they...AOH, AOK or AOF or would you speculate what the insert prefix would be? ???
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2007, 11:09:10 pm »


I was speaking with Gilles today and he told me that no replacements have been reported in AOF bricks.
In fact, he said that very few AOF bricks have been reported to have been found or searched by brick
searchers across Canada.

We know that the 2006 AOF notes did not have the lacquered finish on  the notes and I wonder if only
a small number were released for test purposes to see how they fared against the new lacquered notes.



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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2007, 01:25:19 am »

I agree.... This may be true with AOG as both AOF and AOG were with-held for about 6 months after the release of the varnish 2006 $5 Notes....

I still firmly believe this is DIRECTLY linked to the BoC analyzing the results of the Varnish vs Non-Varnish.

So lets say the old notes had a lifespan of about 12 months (Some say 9 Months but lets go with an even year). So then if the varnish is designed for 18 months they should cut down costs by roughly 50% (Better quality...Less Printed).....

So then they release the Varnish notes (We saw AOH to even AOR right off the bat), 6 months before the rest and then they can compare the quality of the notes at the same time and determine of the added cost is worth it before expanding it to other denominations (I think $20 Notes would be the next candidate myself).

When CBN was printing notes it cost the BoC approx $0.02 per note but with BAI Printing these notes with the varnish and such it costs them about $0.12 per note (Also for better Quality/Error Free notes).

So this is a SIGNIFICANT investment the BoC has made into this technology. Will it be worth it? I don;t think we will know until Summer of 2008 when the changeover happens (At the soonest). That leaves a few month to make a decision and then go either way for the next Print order.

BoC orders 4 times a year from the printers. So in reality the printers are printing Canadian Notes for short periods during the year. Notes are stockpiled and distributed as required.

I feel the First order of notes might have been small (AOF & AOG.... Might have even been made at the same time as a CBN order of 2002 Notes to have time to work with the notes... Makes sense since it is IDENTICAL paper to the 2002 Series). They pulled them aside (They took their time printing them to ensure quality and give confidence to the BoC and win the contract for exclusive printing of 2006 Notes.)

Then the next full order was AOH - AOR

Then following that was AOS - ??? (Current) and then when we see the changeover that SHOULD signal the start of the next order that was made.

This is just my opinion but it makes perfect business sense.  :)

Now as for AOF Bricks. I have had a few (And the lowest serials seen BY FAR). I never found ANYTHING other then poor quality notes (BUT ERROR FREE!!!). They had Lots of ripples generally. :-\
I never got any AOG Bricks... so I am unable to speak for them. Being that NO REPLACEMENTS have been found in the prefix does lead to some suspicion as to WHEN the notes were printed in relation to the Varnish notes..... Possibly quite earlier.... and were completely separated on purpose.  ???

If no varnish notes were printed at the time there would have been nothing to replace with. It would also look bad if they had replacements going that quickly as well.


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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2007, 07:18:36 am »


Just to add to Cam's post above, I have re-posted the communications that Brent got with respect to the
BoC's release of security upgraded $5 notes on both types of paper:


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Hi Brent,
 
As you are probably aware of, the $5 bank note changes hands more often than higher denomination notes and is therefore more prone to wear and tear. In an effort to extend the note’s durability and its current lifespan of 1 to 2 years, the Bank decided to print the upgraded $5 note using a slightly thicker paper, and to apply a varnish coating over the entire surface of the note.
 

The Bank of Canada is assessing how the substrate improvements contribute to note-life over a two year period.  To that effect, a number of $5 notes printed on both standard and heavier weight paper, and with and without varnish, have been released into circulation.   The Bank does not release information on the serial numbers involved.

 
Regards,
 
 
Sylvie Dionne
Bank Note Communication and Compliance Team
Bank of Canada
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Fax: (613) 782-7533
Toll free:  1-888-513-8212
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2007, 12:57:17 pm »

There we go...

So that means it will even be ANOTHER year... So 2009  ???

So if they decide to use it for other denominations it is doubtful they will do anything other then possibly the $20 as they would be less then 2 years away from the new series (End of 2010 - Beginning of 2011)

Here is an excerpt from a communication with the BoC on this matter.

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Hi Cameron,

Sorry for the delay in responding to your subsequent inquiries.

The Bank anticipates introducing the next generation of bank notes beginning in 2011.  As for specific information on the next series of bank notes, we are in the early planning stages for the design.  However, we expect the next series to be a significant increase in security.  Furthermore, the next generation of bank notes will continue to have security features that are easy to authenticate and hard to counterfeit.

Other than what I wrote in my previous email, no additional information can be provided about the "Canadian Journey" $5 AOF and AOG notes.  Also, in any bundle of notes, the Bank doesn't require the bank notes printers to place the serial number in consecutive order.

Sincerely,


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Bank Note Communication and Compliance Team
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2007, 01:06:32 pm »

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Also, in any bundle of notes, the Bank doesn't require the bank notes printers to place the serial numbers in consecutive order.
Well it's tough enough trying to find inserts and atleast I know where to look for the radar and repeaters but if they start using Casino card shufflers to mix every bundle of notes THAT"S IT FOR ME ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2007, 03:45:42 pm »

Quote from BoC to bwjm:

The Bank of Canada is assessing how the substrate improvements contribute to note-life over a two year period.  To that effect, a number of $5 notes printed on both standard and heavier weight paper, and with and without varnish, have been released into circulation.   The Bank does not release information on the serial numbers involved.


Does this imply that there are three varieties of AOF and AOG?   Light paper, no varnish; light paper, varnish; and heavy paper, no varnish?   I assume AOH and later are heavy paper, varnish.   Do we have any approximate ranges for the three varieties?  Thanks for any info.

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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2007, 03:54:06 pm »


To date I am only aware of two varieties; light paper with no varnish, and heavy paper with varnish.

The exact changeover or transition point is unknown, but we have been able to narrow it down to
somewhere between 6.6M and 6.7M in AOG.

All of AOF and up to ~6.7M in AOG is light paper and no varnish.  After this point all notes appear to be
on the heavier paper and with varnish.

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2007, 11:50:40 pm »


A dealer referred a collector to me recently who was inquiring about a couple of unusual bricks he got from a Royal
Bank branch in North Battleford, Saskatchewan on April 5th.

The bricks were in the heavy heat sealed BoC plastic bags, 10 bundles of 100 notes were held together with plastic
straps.  Each bundle had the familiar paper band that is white with a green strip on each side with BANK OF CANADA
on one side and BANQUE DU CANADA on the other.

The bricks were AOF prefix and had two notes inserted between the 000 and 001 notes.

Brick AOF 6256000  ( 76/55 ) had AOF 8140057-058  ( 65/95 ) inserted between 000 and 001 notes.

Brick AOF 7621000  ( 82/91 ) had AOF 8143718-719  ( 75/79 ) inserted between 000 and 001 notes.


This data was reported to Gilles today.  No other similar finds have been reported to date.



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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2007, 12:29:28 am »

That is GREAT news!  :)

Looks like we have a BoC AOF SNR!!!   :)

Hopefully we see another find!

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