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« on: February 19, 2009, 07:01:09 pm »

With help from Brent and Platy I have got it up and ready to go. So....now its the members choice to use it or not. Hopefully this will help in determining the rarity of a note. If you care to send me a list of your notes, I will start to update the information. You can either send me a list at lootune@yahoo.com or do it through the registry. I would prefer it sent to my email...that way i can do a lot in a short time. I have even asked Gilles thoughts and he is gong ho. He will be sending me his list of SNR"S. Thanks everyone.
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2009, 11:04:38 pm »

Thank you very much freedomschoice for the great amount of effort you have and will continue to put into this project. The entire CPMF community owes you a debt of gratitude.

Please get your note information sent in to freedomschoice at your earliest convenience. Keep in mind that this is ONLY to record known notes for CONFIRMED ranges. New finds should continue to be reported in the manner they currently are.
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2009, 12:22:10 am »

I must say you have done some fine work. A project like this is a massive undertaking, and I think you have done a great job! I certainly hope that you continue your fine work with us.



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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2009, 03:51:53 pm »

Let's be honest here guys. Was your help that saved the day. But i will keep things up to date as information becomes available.   Again..thanks for your help.   Freedomschoice

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2009, 06:50:21 pm »

Wow... looks like a big job there.  :o

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2009, 08:53:04 pm »

Yes, he did most of the work on that page himself, with some assistance courtesy of Brent and I, but we really didn't do that much. (Except for the part where I tricked Brent into changing the names for EVERY register there... hee hee.)



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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2009, 10:37:47 pm »

Just had my first look at the registry and I must say a very nice job guys.  It looks great and will be a huge addition to the entire group of Canadian Paper Money Collectors.  I look forward to adding to it and using it's endless knowledge.
Again a huge thanks to all that put such a great effort into creating the SNR registry. It is GREAT!!! :D

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2009, 10:46:13 pm »

(Except for the part where I tricked Brent into changing the names for EVERY register there... hee hee.)

Tricked? Please! I was merely upholding my own obsessive standards for order, organization and consistency. :D

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2009, 04:07:25 pm »

I have a question that I would like to put forward to the person who is updating the SNR regsistry since it is in its early stages.
When someone gives you a serial number of a note and it is inserted into the registry, what is EXACTLY required?
Is a pic or scan required as proof of the notes existance?
Do you assume that the grade that the owner gives is in fact the true grade of the note?
In many case some SNR's are at best AU because of where they are found in a brick. Other demerits such as Band marks, waves, cupping marks, minor tears, etc. are quiet common. I know everyone hopes that they have a UNC SNR note, but in reality it may not be the case. I personally think this is important as the registry grows that the information is as valid as it can possibly be to benefit everyone....
Has anyone else thought of this, or is no one concerned about how the grading of the note is recorded.
Obviously a TPG note will be recorded as such and collectors can take that for what it's worth since everyone has there own opinions on TPG's, but the issue I am more concerned about is the grading by the owner that may overgrade the note.  The bottom line is that if a tough note is always recorded as a UNC, people tend to assume that it will not be hard to find one in atleast that condition and when buying one may expect that thats the way there were mostly found.
Input is greatly appreciated
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2009, 04:31:22 pm »

Freedomschoice can certainly respond with his own remarks, but I'll throw in some general comments as they relate to the CPMWiki as a whole.

Generally speaking, the raw grades on the registers are taken at face value from the person submitting the note. If there is any significant discrepancy between that grade and (for example) the grade observed in-person by the Wiki Contributor, then no grade may be posted, or an adjusted grade may be posted. Such was the case with one particular note that someone showed me at a coin show back in the fall. It was a nice note, and the gentleman who showed it to me suggested it was Gem UNC. He asked me to have a look, so I did. After noticing various defects, I concluded that it would be at most UNC, and that I could not list it on the registers as Gem.

The bottom line here is that readers should take raw grades at face value. They are, for the most part, personal opinions of the owners of the notes. Some people are more accurate graders than others. There's really no good way of raising the bar without the end result being that we're discouraging submissions.

As for what is required, the more information, the better. We always encourage scans of both sides wherever possible, but this is not required, as many people do not have scanners, digital cameras, or even access to a photocopier and the postal system. Our primary goal is to collect information by whatever means possible, and we don't want to get into hindering that goal by having a very high bar for making submissions.
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2009, 04:33:37 pm »

Thanks for the info.
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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2009, 10:44:08 am »


I think it should be a prerequisite that a scan / image of a note be submitted before any note is added to a bank note registry.

This will serve to validate the actual existence of the note and its corresponding serial number.

Although I can empathize with collectors who may not own a scanner or digital camera, this should not preclude the
requirement for a scan to ensure the credibility and accuracy of the bank note registries being kept.

I have a number of rare SNRs, with accompanying high resolution scans, that I will be submitting for inclusion in the registries.



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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2009, 02:26:48 pm »

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This will serve to validate the actual existence of the note and its corresponding serial number.

I still agree that this would be a good idea....especially since the registry is just beginning it would be easier to do it now than later



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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2009, 06:13:44 pm »

congratulations freedomschoice and everyone involved.  If I may put my 2 cents in this  topic here are my feelings

Brickers in the last 10 years have become more and more diligent in reporting their information to the appropriate people.

On an average inserted replacements are valued at more and more then even some earlier replacements.

Brickers work very hard and spend much money (sometimes up words of $60 per brick to give this information to forum members)

There are a number of brickers who have been doing this for many years and have accumulated a certain trust to forum members.  Their reputation stands for themself. 

 Pictures should be included with the new finds.   I do not think there will be that much hesitation if someone finds a new range. 

 I also believe that there should be another person to accompany Gilles in the documentation and confirmation of this ever growing  ranges of replacements that are found.  I will offer my help with this . 

If we have some hesitation in the confirming of replacements, The new way may be to have a third party to also get the brick info to give more comfort to the members. 

In my humble opinion

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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2009, 07:19:48 pm »

What if you don't own a camera or a scanner like Arthur says but the notes have been TPG'd by a company that has a population check. At least those notes would have a recorded serial number and grade. Maybe an extra column can be added with, and this is only an example, "BCS ad123", or you know when you have a pic and the serial number is blue, what if it could be linked to the TPG's popuation check for that note.

Just my thoughts.

BTW great job Marv and evryone that helped.

Denis
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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2009, 07:42:45 pm »

What if you don't own a camera or a scanner like Arthur says but the notes have been TPG'd by a company that has a population check. At least those notes would have a recorded serial number and grade. Maybe an extra column can be added with, and this is only an example, "BCS ad123", or you know when you have a pic and the serial number is blue, what if it could be linked to the TPG's popuation check for that note.

Already being done as of about 2 hours ago. BCS notes will have their grades turned into a link that will bring you directly to the BCS website with the details for that note. Check out some examples in the GPH Replacement Note Register.
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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2009, 08:14:04 pm »

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Already being done as of about 2 hours ago.
Come on Brent.....It's Sunday ....what have you been doing the rest of the day ;D
The links are a great idea
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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2009, 08:18:21 pm »

I've been working on this stuff, unlike you, sir. ;D
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2009, 08:26:59 pm »

I've been working on this stuff, unlike you, sir. ;D

Unfortunately at my age my brains are gone to mush, I can hardly remember where I put my notes, and worst of all ....I would only be a hindrance to the project.....without glasses all the numbers look the same. :-\



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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2009, 07:44:45 pm »

What is the serial number please?

If this inquiry is for the purpose of the SNR registry, I would hope that the requirement for a scan/image be a prerequisite.

It has been a long standing requirement that a scan of any new finds be submitted before a note is added to a CPMS maintained registry.

It is imperative, in my opinion, that we maintain the credibility of these registries by verifying the authenticity of any new additions by insisting on an image before the serial number is added to the registry.



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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2009, 08:37:48 pm »

Scans are great, and are requested whenever it is possible to obtain one, but sometimes notes do get listed without scans. The lack of a scan ought not to preclude the collection of data. If data is not collected when it is made available, it may be lost for a very, very long time, or even forever.

As you always should, take everything you see on the Internet with a grain of salt. Just because you don't see an image, doesn't mean it's not real. Similarly, even if you do see an image, that doesn't mean it is real.
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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2009, 05:07:25 pm »

Questions

1) How long should it normally take for a the Journey Series Replacement Note Registers to be updated after an email submission is sent ?

2) Are there multiple persons monitoring the wiki@cdnpapermoney.com mailbox ?


I sent a handful of very rare registry updates (with scans) on March 28th, to both the Wiki mailbox and freedomschoice mailbox, and noticed that the site hasn't been updated with these entries yet.

These registries were setup with much fanfare and enthusiasm, and as such, I would anticipate that there are bodies available to assist in the update process.  Regular updating of these registries will hopefully encourage others to submit their SNRs for inclusion and lead to a more accurate accounting of the number of these notes in existence.

I can volunteer my time in the future to assist with registry updating, but right now my plate is full, as I have less than 3 weeks to provide my pricing recommendations for the upcoming 22nd Edition of Charlton Canadian Government Paper Money catalogue.  :(
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2009, 05:47:32 pm »

Hi Arthur

Sorry for the slow reply but I was in Hamilton all weekend. I do not get any of the emails from the wiki box but I do have access to input anything that goes into the wiki. If you still have my email please email me the info and I will make sure it is registered promptly. If you don't have it, then just let me know and I will send an email.

Denis

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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2009, 10:20:53 pm »


Hi Denis,

Thanks for taking the time to update the Wiki site with the images and information on the SNRs I emailed you.

Your assistance is greatly appreciated.  I will be compiling a list of additional notes for you shortly.

...Arthur



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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2009, 03:50:18 am »

I rushed like heck to get the SNR registry up and running, but I have been bogged down with the tax season upon us. Also dealing with a death in the immediate family and yes, Canada banknote did send me an email which I still have. I apologize for being slow right now, but that's just the way it is for me until after april 30th. My wife has taken the loss of her mother hard and we are  coping as well as can be expected.  I haven't even had time to get here here much in the last month. Maybe a few minutes here or there. Tonight was my first time to actually spend some time here. So again...my apologies and I will be back on track for the SNR registry for may. Thanks to all who have contributed and hopefully my tardiness doesn't hurt other people submitting to the registry. Its a great tool for learniing and keeping up to date. Thanks one and all.   Freedomschoice

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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2009, 03:59:09 pm »

Hey Freedomschoice.

No need to apologize.  We all are so darn busy and You have taken on a huge job.  We appreciate it.  If people seem to sometimes be non-existent, it is  because they are busy. 

The nice thing is that when they come back on, it is just like a happy family again.

cheers

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