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Canadian Notes => Canadian Journey Notes => Topic started by: Bernard_Schaaf on March 16, 2013, 12:10:21 am
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This California numismatic historian wishes to know whether any $5 or $10 notes with Macklem-Carney signatures have been printed. I have never seen one listed on Ebay or anywhere else. Have they been printed? Released into circulation? Any of you collectors have them yet?? Is there anyone among you who would be willing to send me high-res images of these notes? Thank you.
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This California numismatic historian wishes to know whether any $5 or $10 notes with Macklem-Carney signatures have been printed. I have never seen one listed on Ebay or anywhere else. Have they been printed? Released into circulation? Any of you collectors have them yet?? Is there anyone among you who would be willing to send me high-res images of these notes? Thank you.
$5 Macklem Carney notes have been released into circulation
I know for a fact that an HAE and HAL prefix have been listed and sold on EBAY
however both were in circulated condition
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I have an extremely beat up HAE note I pulled from circulation a few months back, it is a charitable Fine but I am holding onto it for now.
I could post a scan if anyone is interested.
Fenian
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HAE-L have all been released with the M-C signatures.
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Every HAE I saw were all circulated and almost destroyed (dunno why we almost all see that ?) ... The besst I saw was maybe EF at most. I saw 2.
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Every HAE I saw were all circulated and almost destroyed (dunno why we almost all see that ?) ... The besst I saw was maybe EF at most. I saw 2.
Are you sure they were the Macklem Carney signatures and not the Jenkins Carney signatures?
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There are no $10 Macklem-Carney notes known at this time. With the upcoming release of polymer $5 and $10 notes later this year, it appears unlikely that any new $10 Journey notes will be printed and released.
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Are you sure they were the Macklem Carney signatures and not the Jenkins Carney signatures?
Oups, sorry. I meant not only HAE, but any Macklem-Carney (HAE to HAZ). If I see any HAE with Macklem-Carney, I know they are very very rare. Thank you for the correcting my mistake here.
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I have never seen one listed on Ebay or anywhere else. Have they been printed?
I know for sure that some members on this forum have sold the notes before. I know for sure that these notes have sold on e-bay before by a seller whose name is similar to the name of a member on this forum.
Currently there is one note listed on e-bay - Item no: 190810449227.
And I had found VF-EF notes with HAG and HAJ prefixes before I understood the implications of serial numbers and needless to say returned it to circulation.
I have one HAG that I will be happy to scan (possibly a VF-).
But I know for sure there are members of this forum whose postings have indicated that they may have those prefixes in UNC conditions.
Besides the SNDB database also indicates the high and low in each of the prefixes and the forum member to whom it is attributec.
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Here you guys go. No they are not available. Cheers
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Here you guys go. No they are not available. Cheers
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Thx for posting.
Darn the white paper covered the sticks. But there are no stars on the notes as the stick shows through the white paper. :(
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I personally have only seen 1 Macklem-Carney $5 and I still have it in my hands :D
It's HAJ 0092816 and I would say graded somewhere from fine to very fine. Was at a friends place the other day and he must have had 200 $5 dollar bills from a show he had a booth in and there wasn't a single Macklem-Carney note in the lot.
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I held on to the last Macklem-Carney fiver I found, and that was several months ago. HAL 0974374, and it's just Fine. I have no doubt part of the reason there are so few to find is the small number that got out has become diluted with the release of lots of 2010 Jenkin-Carney notes. But I can't think of a reason why the 2011s would be held back.
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Just got my first M/C $5 HAG at Starbucks in VF condition
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Today, I got a bundle of circulated $5 notes (that's 100 notes), and there were no Macklem-Carnies in there. Not surprised but still disappointed.
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Yup I had a ton of these a year and a half ago, didn't think much of them at the time,was caught up in finding the HAE now I wish I had kept them all.
Still can't understand why so few were released and then none
PS still looking for the M/C HAE
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The local banks here have UNC bundles of HAC and HAD. Maybe some Higher prefixes will come out before the new polymers come out? Please keep posting what prefixes of new bundles you are getting locally.
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I would intererested in buying a Choice Unc+ Macklem/Carney 5 if you have any.... Or trading a $20 M/C notes.
Fenian
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There is a HAG 9.9 on EBay right now(or was, auction ends Sunday night)
Fenian
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Has anyone from this site got a bundle of the Macklem/Carney notes from the bank? What I am curious about since there are only small amounts recorded on the SNDB whether these notes are inserts and that bundles have not been released. Have any of you brick searches seen evidence of this possibly happening?
I have never seen a posting about someone suggesting this and thought I would see if this is true or whether they have just been pulled out of circulation by collectors, although if they have been pulled out of circulation there are a lot of notes to be accounted for from each prefix that someone has come across.
Thanks Wayne
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Still not seeing any $5 M/C bills here. 8)
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Got today from circulation: HAL 6007174 - at best a VG.
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Just noticed in SNDB a HBG under [All 2013 Macklem/Carney $5 Notes (CBN)] has recently been reported.
While the 2011 M/C $5 currently reported are HAE - HAL, and everybody is still looking for that 2011HAE, there seems to be a lot more of missing prefixes to look for before the polymer fives will be out. ???
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It seems that the HBG is listed under polymer? I did not realize they were out? What's happening? Also a FTH $10 has been listed under polymer 10?
Did someone got a pre release version?
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The two reported notes, along with others in sequential order, were passed around for viewing at this week's Ingersoll Coin Club meeting. A representative from the Bank of Canada was present to deliver a talk on security features and to show off the new notes.
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Those are the same prefixes that were shown at the unveiling in the spring. Must be from the same bunch.
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I doubt we will see any Journey prefixes after HAL. It's very unlikely any more were printed. If they had been printed, someone should have found some by now. As for whether prefixes HAM-HAZ will be on polymer notes, who knows?
CURRENT SNDB TALLY OF 2011 $5 PREFIXES (Sep 20 16:10EST):
HAE 5
HAF 91
HAG 52
HAH 16
HAJ 57
HAK 37
HAL 58
I wonder if the SNDB keeps statistics on how many notes of each prefix are entered over time? Or should we keep tabs on this manually?
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I still have yet to find a M/C $5 in circulation. Not one has crossed my fingers.
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I am a little better here. Lucky to have seen M/C $5 from circulations but very scarce, not much for sure compare to the amount that I've gone through.
Have yet to find HAJ, HAK & the elusive 2011 HAE though.
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Here in Toronto I only saw HAF, HAG, and HAK notes 1-1.5 years ago, 4 or 5 notes in total.
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I've been looking for the Macklem-Carney 5$ notes for over a year now. On Saturday, I bought two from a coin dealer in the Montreal area. I paid 10$ each, which is way better than the last ebay auctions I've seen recently. They both have the HAK prefix.
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What could be the explanation for M/C $5 being seen in circulation 12-18 months ago, but little since? Are there enough of us collectors who simply snatched them up from circulation at that time to account for their relative scarcity today?
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I still believe that since paper currency does not go bad and does not perish like food... the FIFO rule does not apply
If pallets containing HA* notes where brought to a depot and were distributed, it is very possible that when new pallets of notes came in, the old pallets are pushed to the back or blocked by the new ones and these new notes will be distributed..
Should these new notes get distributed before more new notes arrive the HA* notes will again appear, otherwise they will once again remain at the back...
It is not uncommon when brick searching to get older prefixes that we literally saw years back...in fact about 2 months ago I got a BTG brick.....now how long has that prefix been out ....
I think like any other product in a warehouse, some things just get pushed into a corner and don't reappear until the item is needed....might even explain why the occasional brick you get is actually in dirty/dusty/torn bags that were probably run over by a tow motor, or used as a football during the Friday night crews coffee break ;)
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I have a gem pair of HAK in my collection and one HAL (in about EF shape) that I got in change almost a year ago. The last one to cross my hands was a heavily beat up HAJ, with tape, a few weeks ago.
They ain't numerous.
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If pallets containing HA* notes where brought to a depot and were distributed, it is very possible that when new pallets of notes came in, the old pallets are pushed to the back or blocked by the new ones and these new notes will be distributed..
Should these new notes get distributed before more new notes arrive the HA* notes will again appear, otherwise they will once again remain at the back...
The only problem with this argument is that one would expect the older 2010 notes to get buried (push to the back) and the 2011 notes to be distributed. It is possible this could have happened as we saw a very strange sporadic release of 2010 prefixes after a very tiny release of 2011, but it still doesn't explain why there still remains the lion's share of 2011 notes yet to be released. It doesn't really make sense that the 2011 notes would get pushed to the back or they would be held back unless someone directed distributors to do so. It is as if bundles (100's) of 2011 HA* were released rather than blocks (1000's).
I've long thought that more 2011 HA* M/C notes would soon appear. I would have thought they would have made their 2nd appearance by now. I find it strange that they're taking so long to be released & wonder if & when they do-- will there be some prefixes more scarce than others? Will they release them along with the polymers? I'm sure I'm not the only one speculating on this...
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I'm sure I'm not the only one speculating on this...
And I'm sure you're sure. ;) In fact, I think the knowledge about Macklem-Carney $5 notes is becoming fairly widespread, and as a consequence, they are going to be part of a self-fulfilling prophecy. What I mean by this is that they will seem scarce because people are holding onto them and not reporting them, and this will continue for some time. The SNDB will reflect the apparent scarcity, and no doubt, the data will then be used as proof that the notes are scarce (by a few unscrupulous individuals) , even though the data is just a reflection of what people report.
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My mother always said "if you don't have something nice to say about somebody don't say anything at all".
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Hi ! found this forum while searching info for 5$ macklem signature.
i recently found 2 macklem-carney hak notes vf-ef ,what could be the value ?
just saw 3 on ebay ,one at 49$ with no bids and 2 other ones ending in 5 days
seem to be very rare but cannot find price info on the net or in books ...
thanks for helping me !
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recently found 2 macklem-carney hak notes vf-ef ,what could be the value ?
Even for UNC M/C notes I believe most of us would say "the jury is still deliberating." I believe (but may be wrong) that many of us would say it is a bit premature to put a value on a 2 year old issue that still has time to reappear (& en mass). We won't really know until the end of the year when they could still be released with the polymers.
On the other hand, some collectors might believe that the M/C $5.00 have all been released and we wont see any more & it is those who are creating a bidding frenzy on ebay driving the price way up (sometimes as high as 10X face) on UNC notes. This camp likely compares the M/C $5.00 notes with the abrupt withdrawal of the 2004 original Journey $10 notes which saw the "lost prefixes" of 2003 BEL and BER notes.
The 2 basic opinions held are:
1) that there will be more 2011 $5.00 M/C notes to be released (& thus not rare or worth a great premium.) If this is be the case than there will be many out there who've paid a "king's ransom" for a fairly common note. Most of us are sure that the 2011 M/C HAE change-over prefix will be quite rare and worth a premium greater than book. Also, this group likely realizes that there could be some prefixes more common than others.
2) of the opinion that "what we have seen is all that what we'll ever see" (thus rare and worth a premium.) If this be the case than those who've paid a high price for an UNC M/C note will be the ones who will be laughing all the way to the bank.
As far as circulated M/C notes (VF-EF) you enquire about - this is even more prone to speculation since circulated notes never command the same premiums as UNC.
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I see three possibilities closely related to what W2TW is saying:
- The Bank of Canada withdraws Journey $5 notes as soon as the polymer series is released.
- The BoC allows Journey $5 notes to circulate for a period of time after the polymer series is introduced, similar to what is happening with the $20 notes. This means existing inventory of Journey $5 notes is put out to circulate for a short time with the intention that only the better grade notes are recirculated and the lower grade ones are culled. Notice here that I said "intention" because, as we've seen with the $20 notes, the banks will recirculate whatever they have, probably because it costs them money to send back old bills and order new ones. And if the BoC does not tell them in no uncertain terms to do something, they will do whatever they want, and what they want is to not spend money needlessly. They will certainly order some polymer notes to keep the people asking for new notes happy at release time, but for everyone else, whatever they have handy will do.
- The two series are allowed to circulate simultaneously, meaning the Journey $5 notes will be fully issued and allowed to circulate for a long period of time. For the Macklem-Carney speculators, that's not the kind of thing they want to hear.
The first scenario is possible and I *think* that this will happen to the $10 Journey notes because they have been pretty much fully issued. They are also small in number like the $50 and $100 notes, and we know the changeover from one series to the next was abrupt for the two highest denominations.
The third scenario seems unlikely. There are many people who don't like having two issues of notes to deal with, especially given that the two issues are not printed on the same substrate. And the BoC can't really claim they are fighting counterfeiting while allowing the less secure series to persist in circulation.
The second scenario implies that there's a good chance that some or all of the stockpiles of $5 Journey series Macklem-Carney notes will get issued, but how extensively they will circulate with the polymer series being issued at the same time is anyone's guess. So even after the November release of the polymer series, we are still going to be guessing at what is happening. How long will Journey notes be issued? How much longer before the Bank pulls the plug on them? That's the key variable in all three scenarios... will the Bank withdraw Journey notes right away, wait a few months, or wait almost indefinitely, allowing the paper $5 notes to wear out during their relatively short life cycle?
Of course there's one idea that we just can't seem to put down, the notion that the Bank is withholding the Macklem-Carney notes for some reason. There is no explanation that I can imagine that makes any sense why they would do this unless the notes are sitting on a jungle island in the south Pacific...
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I see three possibilities closely related to what W2TW is saying:
[third scenario] The two series are allowed to circulate simultaneously, meaning the Journey $5 notes will be fully issued and allowed to circulate for a long period of time. For the Macklem-Carney speculators, that's not the kind of thing they want to hear.
The third scenario seems unlikely. There are many people who don't like having two issues of notes to deal with, especially given that the two issues are not printed on the same substrate. And the BoC can't really claim they are fighting counterfeiting while allowing the less secure series to persist in circulation.
I think that's entriely likely; after all it is exactly what is happening with $20 notes. Journey $20s are not being actively recalled and the BoC is asking banks to continue circulating them until they are worn out.
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I think that's entriely likely; after all it is exactly what is happening with $20 notes. Journey $20s are not being actively recalled and the BoC is asking banks to continue circulating them until they are worn out.
I respectfully disagree. The $20 notes seem to be following more like scenario 2 with some differences. The Macklem-Carney $20 notes were already in widespread release at the time of issue of the polymer series introduction. A cashier at a financial institution told me they were recirculating only the best Journey $20 notes, and many lightly circulated ones were being taken in and shipped out, presumably for destruction. Don't forget that the residence time for paper $20 notes in circulation is longer than for $5 and $10 notes which tend to have a life expectancy of about a year. So it has been a year since the polymer $20 notes were issued, and they were replacing a large number of notes since $20 is by far the most common denomination in circulation. I think it would be logical that if the $5 Journey notes follow a similar pattern, it will take only a few months to achieve the same effect as what has taken a year to achieve for the $20 notes. The $5 notes will wear out more quickly, and there are less of them to replace.
There could a short-lived flurry of $5 Macklem-Carney notes hitting circulation if the BoC intends to issue them like regular notes. That could mean hit-and-miss availability in different regions of the country. A partial withdrawal at the same time will make it that much harder for people to get uncirculated notes. I'm thinking they could be harder to get than the short-lived Macklem-Carney $50 Journey notes.
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Don't forget that the residence time for paper $20 notes in circulation is longer than for $5 and $10 notes which tend to have a life expectancy of about a year.
allowing the paper $5 notes to wear out during their relatively short life cycle
You keep focussing on the paper $5 relatively short life cycle but I don't think the BOC looks at it like this any more.
For a long time we've assumed $20 notes last far longer than the $5.00 or $10 but I am fairly certain this model is being revised by BOC since "cash is no longer king" or used with the same frequency (now) as it has been in the past. When cash is actually being employed (today) it is likely in higher denominations and I believe this trend has extended the fives' residence time. The tendency to employ debit/credit cards and even online transactions for minor purchases (most services) is becoming the norm.
I've talked to many small business owners about my hobby (& looking for certain elusive notes) and they often laugh at me when I ask if they've received certain notes/denominations- esp $5.00 & then they show me their empty cash registers with cheques & comment most commerce is electronic today. Most of their cash is in $20 or higher (not $5 nor $10). How else could we explain the release of 2010 $5.00 in 2013? -All notes are simply lasting longer (& our previously held assumptions need revised). You won't hear about paper lasting longer from the BOC because the govt has rushed into the switch to polymer for their "enhanced environmental benefits" (ie their durability- well that's the "party line" anyway -ha ha!) The primary motive behind the switch is obviously security ($100 being switched first) but $5, $10 & $20 of the upgraded Journey were not hit by forgers like the original series.
The only reason I speculate further M/C $5 notes being released at the same time as the polymer is entirely pragmatic: to allow for some paper to be mixed amongst these difficult plastic notes which stick together. I believe the co-existence of Journey $20 along with polymer $20 certainly has been a blessing for most tellers I see dispensing this denomination. (Almost all of my $20 withdrawals are a blend of the 2). Sure- eventually we will all have to deal with just plastic cash but I feel the easing out of a fairly secure (Journey) series makes more sense than the abrupt withdrawal of it. The learning curve is less difficult to negotiate. The old notes are there, ordering new ones costs money, and the mixture of the 2 substrates makes polymer an easier pill to swallow.
There could a short-lived flurry of $5 Macklem-Carney notes hitting circulation if the BoC intends to issue them like regular notes. That could mean hit-and-miss availability in different regions of the country.
That's exactly what I would expect too. I'm sure most of us would agree on that.
Since we've seen low # SN to high # SN of M/C notes registered in the SNDB we are assuming that full runs of M/C notes were printed.
And yet...
This actually may not be the case. Is it not possible that the printers printed up reams or mini-reams randomly? Was it not you mmars who wrote extensive research about how reams of notes were printed in batches? I am becoming more convinced with today's technology that notes are not being numbered from 1 to 10,000,000 in an orderly fashion (there's no need for that now). If this be the case and than someone said "stop the press! The brass says they don't want any more paper notes. Shut her down!" after many randomly numbered batches were produced then the M/C notes we've seen may in fact be all those that we will ever see.
However, that is not what has happened in the past, and I highly doubt that only small reams of notes were produced and released. I am still more inclined to believe that full runs were produced & we will see more M/C notes released with the polymer. The question still remains as to which prefixes will be the most common & which will be the tough ones to get.
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Many members have tried to project the possibility of certain journey $5 prefixes available in the future.
I tried to make the projections based on the data available from SNDB.
Below is some data from SNDB relating to HP and HA prefix $5 notes:
Most prefixes except for the short runs - HPA, HAE show a range between the "reported" high and low range of almost 9.9M notes. Notable exceptions other then known short runs are:
HAL @ 7.03M
HAK @ 8.7M
HAH @ 8.9M and
HAG @ 9.2
The number of notes reported as of the end of September 2013 by prefix are as follows:
2500 or more - HAA, HAD
2000 to 2499 - HAC, HAE (2010), HPZ
1500 to 1999 - HAB, HPB, HPD, HPW, HPY
1000 to 1499 - HPC, HPG, HPK, HPL, HPV
500 to 999 - HPA, HPE, HPF, HPH, HPJ, HPM, HPN, HPP, HPR, HPS, HPT, HPU
100 and below - All 2011 M/C
Based on some additional notes that I have kept (which are not reported by SNDB) over the last 5 months the range of additional notes reported for non-2011 prefixes have been 150-500 with 150 being for the more mature prefixes (HAA, HAD) and 500 being for more current prefixes (HPK)
The following observations from the data can be made assuming that all notes in the range have been printed and available for circulation and also that the SNDB sample is not biased:
There are still 11 (excluding HPA) out of 27 non-2011 prefixes that are still not even 50% way through the potential shown by the numbers reported for HAA and HAD.
An additional 5 out of 27 prefixes are still at most 60% way through the potential shown by the numbers reported for HAA and HAD.
So 16 out of 27 prefixes (or almost 60%) non-2011 (M/C) of the total notes that have not been reported based on their potential to be reported as demonstrated by HAA and HAD.
Based on the trend for the last 5 months it would seem that new notes on average (will depend on the need for currency to be in circulation) are being reported at a maximum of about 125 per month per prefix in the SNDB.
What does this data tell us?
Assuming that the number of notes that have been printed (but not all circulated) are at least equal to the high-low range indicated by the SNDB
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Assuming that the rate of notes reported in SNDB is a reflection of rate of "new" notes introduced in circulation
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Assuming that the BoC will keep on introducing "new" notes even after the introduction of Polymer 5's first week of November i.e. not merely circulating the ones that are out.
Then
It would still take several months (at least 4 to 6 months in the best case scenario) of exhausting the distribution of non-2011 notes.
I can derive my own conclusions regarding introduction of 2011 $5 notes from this data but I will leave it for each member to come up with their own. If you need my personal opinion just PM me.
If you have any specific questions please feel free to ask.
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The majority of the $5 Macklem-Carney that are being sold on Ebay lately are HAK prefix which doesn't reflect the numbers we have in the SNDB. To me, they seem the most common at the moment.
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The majority of the $5 Macklem-Carney that are being sold on Ebay lately are HAK prefix which doesn't reflect the numbers we have in the SNDB.
Actually the majority of the M/C notes reported in the SNDB are in fact HAK prefixesn and it has been documented in the SNDB.
If you go the SNDB home page with the High/Low colourful table of all the prefixes
And scroll below it to the 2nd last link
"Most Common Recently-Entered Prefixes (2 Months)" (which is labelled "NEW" )
and go to:
>Canadian Journey Notes
and select the
($5) link
-You will get a bar graph and if you bring your mouse over the CBN graph, you will see that 9 notes were recorded for HAG prefix while HAK shows 22 notes reported in the past 2 months.
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Perhaps more importantly, many of the newly reported HAK notes fall within the first ream, i.e., in the range 0000000-0359999.
HAK was one of the scarcer M-C prefixes until recently.
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That's kind of funny for me here. I've gone thru tons of used fives, I've seen most prefixes of 2011 fives but I've yet to see a HAK & HAJ and of course the elusive HAE2011 in my location.
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Actually the majority of the M/C notes reported in the SNDB are in fact HAK prefixesn and it has been documented in the SNDB.
If you go the SNDB home page with the High/Low colourful table of all the prefixes
And scroll below it to the 2nd last link
"Most Common Recently-Entered Prefixes (2 Months)" (which is labelled "NEW" )
and go to:
>Canadian Journey Notes
and select the
($5) link
-You will get a bar graph and if you bring your mouse over the CBN graph, you will see that 9 notes were recorded for HAG prefix while HAK shows 22 notes reported in the past 2 months.
I was refering to the total of notes entered for each Macklem-Carney prefix but I agree that the stats about the notes entered in the last 2 months talks more than the total to explain what we're seeing on Ebay at the moment.
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That's kind of funny for me here. I've gone thru tons of used fives.
It is hopeless here because all I keep on getting is crisp 2010 notes and that too in sequential order. It seems that wherever I go used notes of all types are scarce let alone 2011 notes. :(
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An acquaintance at Where's Willy reports that his workplace obtained half a brick of HAK592____ in their weekly order from the bank. Perhaps there will be a flood of them over the next two weeks.
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I think I know what's happening as of lately. With the polymer $5 and $10 notes only a couple of weeks away from their first releases, and the BoC having so many crisp $5 notes in stock, I have a feeling that, during the final weeks of the Journey $5's, the BoC is likely aggressively clearing out as much of the unissued crisp $5 Journey notes as possible before the changeover to the new Polymer version.
It seems to be quite common that my local banks' final shipments of old issue notes are usually a shipment of crisp bills to close it off. I have a feeling that my local Scotiabank will receive a shipment of crisp $5 and $10 bills as the official final shipment (if they do receive their final shipment within the final 2 to 4 weeks of the Journey era) pretty soon, if they haven't already.
I feel quite confident about the Polymer $5 notes coming to my local branch soon after its release, but the $10, I am totally not as confident, since the branch's shipment of $10 notes goes (much) slower, given the $10 notes' very low demand and how they don't buy anything except for Starbucks and The Second Cup items, items at a bar or pub, and fast food meals.
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I think I know what's happening as of lately. With the polymer $5 and $10 notes only a couple of weeks away from their first releases, and the BoC having so many crisp $5 notes in stock, I have a feeling that, during the final weeks of the Journey $5's, the BoC is likely aggressively clearing out as much of the unissued crisp $5 Journey notes as possible before the changeover to the new Polymer version.
Basically these last 2 weeks (and maybe a few after the polymer release) will be do or die for those unreleased 2011 M/C 5$ notes (if they exist).
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I have a feeling that we are going to be seeing many more 2011 M/C 5$ notes coming over the next few weeks. It can't be a coincidence that I just got 2 HAK and 1 HAF today in change from a few different places after never getting a single one since like the beginning of the year ;D
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Got another HAF today. Weird anyone else seeing a sudden increase in the number of M/C 5$ they get in change/bank?
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That's odd. Since September 18th, there has been only 1 HAF note reported to the SNDB. Whoever is finding them is keeping them a secret.
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That's odd. Since September 18th, there has been only 1 HAF note reported to the SNDB. Whoever is finding them is keeping them a secret.
Now I wonder who that could be O:-) ;)
On a more serious note I finally got the time this week to post them go check it out! I will usually enter notes all at the same time once a week or something so there may be a delay in what I post being entered in the SNDB :)
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Taking a look at the SNDB it appears the 2011 M/C 5$ paper notes now end near the end of prefix HAL as it says it is confirmed by the BoC.
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Taking a look at the SNDB it appears the 2011 M/C 5$ paper notes now end near the end of prefix HAL as it says it is confirmed by the BoC.
I think the big question now is what they did with all the notes HAM-HAZ and HBA-HBG???
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I think the big question now is what they did with all the notes HAM-HAZ and HBA-HBG???
I hope they didn't destroy them. If they did print them and destroy them, that would be a lot of notes and quite a waste for the BoC and it would also mean no M/C polymer 5$ notes :(
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I wonder why they didn't go straight to issuing M/P $10 notes. I'm sure they have their reasons.
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I wonder why they didn't go straight to issuing M/P $10 notes. I'm sure they have their reasons.
I suspect that the BOC prepared new 10s well in advance of Mr. Carney's departure. Because there are generally fewer 10s in circulation and the supply of Journey 10s was already depleted months ago, it needed to be replenished while Mr. Carney was still governor.
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I'd like to ask people who have found paper 5$ M/C notes what condition are they usually in? From my sample of about 10 I got 3 of them in perfect crisp shape. About 2-3 have a fold or two while the others are pretty rough.
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Haven't gotten any yet, I don't do much strap searching, and have never gotten any in my change.
From my sample of about 10 I got 3 of them in perfect crisp shape.
Obtained from the bank and/or did you bring some straps home? Or was it pure luck in change?
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Well we have a winner-
HAE - M/C 9999999 has been posted on SNDB by no other than the forum master BWJM :)
Not only a rare prefix but the only solid in that prefix/signature combo and the last note in that prefix
Way to go
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It seems like the number of notes is slowly building up. Don't know what it means as it could be a result of more people searching the journey $5 notes in circulation or maybe new notes are entering circulation.
I saw some of the MC $5 prefix selling on e-bay for around $30-$50 in UNC condition. I would have thought they might sell for higher.
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HAE - M/C 9999999 has been posted on SNDB by no other than the forum master BWJM :)
Now we really know the High for the HAE Prefix ;D Fantastic and lucky find, BWJM.
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I'd love to claim ownership of that one, but alas I cannot. It was entered on behalf of someone else who is remaining anonymous, along with a second HAE.
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In a recent search of 100 $5's, I found three M/C notes. All were well circulated, the nicest being perhaps a VF at best. The worst one was exceptionally dirty with many creases and folds. In my opinion, all three looked like they had been in circulation for quite a long time.
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Obtained from the bank and/or did you bring some straps home? Or was it pure luck in change?
The three uncirculated ones were from the bank :) The rest were pure luck in change.
It seems like the number of notes is slowly building up. Don't know what it means as it could be a result of more people searching the journey $5 notes in circulation or maybe new notes are entering circulation.
Yes the number of notes is slowly increasing but it is still very small when compared to other prefix series (HP*, even the new polymer HB*). And there are also quite a few gaps with the highs and lows. Example as of this writing the lowest number for HAL that has been found is 0854218. That's quite high of a number to be a low but it could be that not all of the notes have been released yet still after the introduction of polymer 5$ notes. There may be even more gaps in the middle of the prefix that we cannot see too since we only know the low and high (example: no notes have been reported between HAL 5000000 and 7000000). Please note I'm just using those two numbers as an example I don't know what the gaps are.
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Since September 18, here are the number of M-C $5 notes entered into the SNDB:
HAE 3
HAF 19
HAG 71
HAH 11
HAJ 2
HAK 37
HAL 1
I would like to make an observation. The notes being offered online have been ordinary notes. Compare that to the polymer series notes for which quite a few radar notes have been found. I'm not convinced that the Journey series bricks are getting out into circulation. It has been only a month since the polymers were released, so there is still plenty of time, but I get the feeling that a lot of unopened Journey notes will be returned to the BoC and replaced with polymers, even though the BoC has told businesses they don't have to do this.
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HAE - M/C 9999999 has been posted on SNDB
One heck of a neat find...wonder if it was a single find or in a brick...I guess if it was in an HAE brick we will HAE notes being sold shortly...maybe 1000 of them ....should be some for everyone :)
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I was told it was found in circulation.
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I was told it was found in circulation.
Thanks Brent...I guess the hunt is still on :)
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Since September 18, here are the number of M-C $5 notes entered into the SNDB:
HAE 3
HAF 19
HAG 71
HAH 11
HAJ 2
HAK 37
HAL 1
The current bar graph (as of 12/14) -which is suppose to track additions to the SNDB by prefix -reports:
HAE 0 (no reports of additional HAE in past 2 months)
HAF 19
HAG 67
HAH 10
HAJ 0 (ie: no reports)
HAK 19
HAL 0 (ie: no reports)
I am curious why the bar graph seems dated now. Is the bar graph manually generated by a CPMF moderator or is it suppose to be automated and there is a glitch?
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What makes the graph seem dated?
All charts and graphs on the SNDB are automatically generated and are live.
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my latest brick of 1000 $5's contained 56 M-C covering all existing series (HAE-HAK) but no HAL. Most were VF-EF, no AU or UNC :(
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HAK0004889 52 19 was a record low and HAE9997490 25 46 was a record high. ;D
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Nice find on the HAE!
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Lovely brick "bricker" (esp the HAE)
Can you tell us if you are from the Montreal or Vancouver area? I cannot imagine finding a brick with so many M/C 2011 fives.
What makes the graph seem dated?
All charts and graphs on the SNDB are automatically generated and are live.
At the time (12/14) quite a few HAE were reported but the #'s on the bar graph did not reflect the additional notes reported in the SNDB. However, now (12/30) the bar graph is showing five (5) 2011 HAE in the past 2 months so it seems up to date now.
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These notes are starting to become common. The last 3 $5 notes in 3 different places were HAF, HAG and HAJ. They weren't in great shape and will be spent.
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These notes are starting to become common. The last 3 $5 notes in 3 different places were HAF, HAG and HAJ. They weren't in great shape and will be spent.
-yes, especially in Quebec as proven by "Bricker" & others who are finding many. A Quebec based ebayer has a brick (10 bundles) for sale. In light of their regular appearance his "Buy it Now" price/bundle is wishful thinking.
They're even starting to appear here in Ontario. I got 2 the other day. I believe the HAF, HAG & HAK to be the most common. HAJ & HAL appear less common (& HAE esp tough to find) but even this may change in the next little while.
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Can you tell us if you are from the Montreal or Vancouver
Montreal
These notes are starting to become common
A brick I checked a few days ago had "only" 24 M-C's: 1-HAE, 5-HAF, 14-HAG, 4-HAK. Still no HAL. These M-C's have been circulating for some time; I havent found anything better than EF so I dont think the BOC has released a hoard.
Found 3 M-C's in only 62 $5 bills I picked up today: 1-HAF, 1-HAJ, 1-HAK, all VF and none worth keeping. Incredibly, in the same 62 bills I found one replacement note HPG9847765 J-C, a new high note HBG9980882 M-P AND a new low note HBK0701573 M-P! :-D
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These notes are starting to become common. The last 3 $5 notes in 3 different places were HAF, HAG and HAJ. They weren't in great shape and will be spent.
These notes were all found in the Montreal area. Maybe i should hang onto the HAJ for awhile?
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These notes were all found in the Montreal area. Maybe i should hang onto the HAJ for awhile?
I'm in the Montreal area and the only M/C prefixes I have found are HAF, HAG and HAK which seem to be the most common ones at the moment. I would definitely keep the HAJ for now and see what happens in the future.
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The brick on Ebay is HAG with a portion of HAF prefixes. There are other sellers who've been listing M/C $5 notes one at a time since Sept/October.
I believe HAH, HAJ, HAL & of course HAE will be less common but of course I could be totally off on this prediction.
These notes were all found in the Montreal area. Maybe i should hang onto the HAJ for awhile?
Actually, I would hold onto all M/C notes VF and higher since I believe there are many areas of Canada where they have not been released & could thus be scarce/hard to come by.
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I think the next Charlton catalogue will determine the fate of circulated grade M-C notes. Right now, there is not a significant difference in values between circulated and Uncirculated notes as evidenced by online sales over the past few months. I have seen circulated notes go for $40 and more, and I have seen Uncirculated notes go for $20 and less. The catalogue will very likely assess the value of Unc notes and scale the value of circulated grades, so I would expect the collectability of circulated grades to dwindle with time once collectors have hard documentation in hand telling them that circulated M-C notes should be worth a lot less than Unc notes.
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Between February 5th and 12th, no Macklem-Carney $5 notes were entered into the SNDB. This may be an indication that Journey series notes are getting harder to obtain.
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Between February 5th and 12th, no Macklem-Carney $5 notes were entered into the SNDB
Well I havent been active lately and decided to give my RBC tellers a break for a while but today I picked up a bundle of fives and got FIVE M-C's:
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:D :P ??? :-D
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Well I havent been active lately and decided to give my RBC tellers a break for a while but today I picked up a bundle of fives and got FIVE M-C's:
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:D :P ??? :-D
Nice to see you posting again bricker! :)
And wow your luck with getting HAE seems to still be strong!
It's been a while since I last received any M/C 5$ and the last one was in terrible shape too. I really hope they haven't disappeared again... :'(
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tks paperorplastic.
I still dont have a M-C HAL, which would complete my HAE-HAL set.
In the SNDB there are 60 HAL's vs only 15 HAE's however I'd gladly trade TWO HAE's for ONE HAL in good shape!!!! :'(
I have traders in all of them...in VF or better except my HAH which is maybe a Fine-12:
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I have traders in all of them...in VF or better except my HAH which is maybe a Fine-12:
I think the HAH is tough one to find too....Good for you!
You must be in the right place for these....
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tks paperorplastic.
I still dont have a M-C HAL, which would complete my HAE-HAL set.
In the SNDB there are 60 HAL's vs only 15 HAE's
58 of the 60 HALs were found before September 2013. Most of the HAEs were found since September 2013.
however I'd gladly trade TWO HAE's for ONE HAL in good shape!!!! :'(
All I have is an HAL in mediocre shape. I don't know if I should trade it.
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I'm going to hit the banks hard this week and see what I can dig up...with up to 5% M-C I should get a HAL soon! >:D
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I finally found my first ever Macklem $5 in circulation today. HAG, quite heavily circulated. I can't believe how long it took!
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I finally found my first ever Macklem $5 in circulation today. HAG, quite heavily circulated. I can't believe how long it took!
You found your first after I found my last. There's nothing but polymer here in Ottawa. Even the banks don't seem to be recycling the paper notes any more.
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Even the banks don't seem to be recycling the paper notes any more.
I agree, I haven't received a paper $5 from a bank for a long time. But 16 out of the 25 $5s I received yesterday selling girl guide cookies with my daughters were paper. Plenty are still out there.
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OK then, I guess if I am ever going to find another paper $5 bill, I will have to borrow someone's daughter and go door-to-door. 8)
But seriously, something is wrong with the money distribution system. We have so many unanswered questions. Where did all those unreleased paper notes go? Why did paper $5 notes end at HAL and polymer start in HBG?? Were there too many embarrassing 3-letter words after HAL? Did the Bank of Canada figure they are going to save so much money with polymer notes that they could justify being wasteful in disposing of lots of unreleased paper? And does it actually mean anything when the BoC says there is no recall on paper notes? The financial institutions are behaving as though paper money has an expiry date on it. And if polymer $5 Macklem-Carney notes were printed in any appreciable numbers, why are they being withheld?
All this silence makes me want to scream like a little girl! :-D
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Try stamping your feet and flailing your arm in the air as well....if it doesn't help it will at least amuse bystanders :D :D :D
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went through 168 notes today and got 3.6% M-C:
1 HAE (with stars this time, see pic)
1 HAF
4 HAG
all in VF30-35 I think:
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I only ever found ONE M-C note a VERY long time ago. It was in poor shape so it was spent...I kinda wish I held on to it now :( I have had zero luck fining them at all since then...
Dean
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Try stamping your feet and flailing your arm in the air as well....if it doesn't help it will at least amuse bystanders :D :D :D
I don't know... don't I have to be a member of the opposition in Parliament to do that? O:-)
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went through 250 $5.00 notes today and got 3.6% M-C again ;D
0 HAE
2 HAF
5 HAG
2 HAK
mostly VF30-35 as usual...but still no M-C radar :'(
Also got one poor lonely Knight-Dodge printed in 2001 AOD 5774020 77 87 but the SNDB wont accept it (too old).
ordered a brick for this weekend...
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I got a HAF 5$ note today, a bit of a surprise for me because I haven't seen an M/C paper 5$ note since...I can't even remember probably January or late last year. Condition isn't too bad considering the odd Journey note I get now is usually in poor shape. Anyone else found any recently?
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Yes I went through a mixed brick (1000 $5.00 notes) in May and found:
JOURNEY:
0 K-D (first time I've been skunked on K-D)
10 J-D 2006 BAI (APA APC AOH AOJ AOP AON)
12 M-C 2011 CBN: 0 HAE, 1 HAF, 5 HAG, 1-HAH, 0-HAJ, 5-HAK, 0 HAL
16 J-C 2008 BAI
55 J-C 2009 BAI
235 J-C 2010 CBN
30 J-C 2010 HAA-E
FRONTIER:
0 M-C
619 M-P 2013 HBG-HBZ INCL ONE 4 DIGIT RADAR HBU 8859588 :-D
24 M-P 2013 HCA-HCB-HCC
And yes, that totals 1001 notes: bank error in my favour :D
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Hi, i'm new on this forum ,my name is Sebastien from sherbrooke, quebec
sorry for my english wrote, i'ts my second language .........im actif on numicanada so..
i search one 5$ to complet my serie, i'ts the 5$ HAL
have somebody have one for sale?
and i want so contact out quebec to exchange new bill
thank you
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YES i found HAL prefixe
im happy.
I have all prefixe on 5 $ serie journey ;D
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I got a Macklem/Carney $5 today. HBG 0230659. In circulated condition. Is this rare? Worth anything? I have a few more someplace. Just occurred to me to ask about it.
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spend it :D ;D
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$5 bucks :) :D
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Hi all, I've got all prefixes from HAE to HAL but a few are in Unc. Condition
Only the HAF, HAG and HAK are unc.
I found 7 HAE in total from brick search and 2 HAL but nothing close to Unc.
For the other prefixes, i've got a lot of each. Total of 80 to 100 notes.
I don't know if I should hold on to them or sell them since all paper banknotes are going to destruction.
Thanks