Missing Circle notes QUESTION!

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Would you consider missing BPN errors?

At the Paris show John referred to the missing circle as an "anomaly"

And yes, I do consider missing BPN errors in production.

Well... now we're into semantics. When is something that is incorrectly produced, not an "error"? It's not what it's suppose to be, that makes it "wrong".

I can, however, accept "anomaly" just like missing BPN, but where do you draw the line? There are lots of "one off errors", as well as strings of notes caused by the same production glitch (hickies for example can affect 3 to 20 consecutive notes), BPN and circles affect 1000's of notes. Is it the number of note that determine "errors" or "anomalies"? If a sheet is missing a layer of ink, is it an error because we only found one, or is it an "anomaly" because we know there are more notes on the sheet? Are we going to define errors by who made it? The pressman, the bindery operator (paper cutter), the letterpress operator (numbering), the plate maker (BPN, circles), the embosser, intaglio operator?

If it isn't "right", it's "wrong". Error, anomaly:potAto, potOto

Tomaaatoe, tomaetoe  

Good questions and points

I guess I always thought that if its not an easily recognizable abnormality that the public can readily identify it would be an anomaly, since its taken considerable scrutiny to acknowledge it.  I would consider missing BPNs, missing circles, and serial number irregularities, as anomalies.  Irregularities would be seen in larger numbers (hence in the regular tables) than glaring errors identified at the back of Charlton.  Isn't there a need for a more specific adjective to describe notes of this kind?

While (you're right) they are all errors, I think its important to distinguish errors idenified by all collectors as such, over the small/minor irregularities we're discussing.  That's why the semantics....

And now, different sized letters and numbers in serial numbers aren't errors at all are they? They just had to replace a tumbler on the numbering machine before (or after) real errors (missing digits) are produced. It would seem to me that THESE aren't errors and are more what I'd call a "production anomaly". To me anomaly indicates something that is "different", but not necessarily "wrong".

Anomaly = "Deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule." (although by this definition, all errors should be called anomalies)

Error = "A mistake."

Ah yes, semantics, error, anomaly, variety!

The following is my personal view, and my personal view only, as it relates to our hobby.

An "error" is something that does not have "predictability" associated with it. Missing one of the printing steps, printing registration shifts, printing on the wrong side, paper folds, etcetera, etcetera, are errors.

An "anomaly" or "variety" has predictability associated with it. The missing back plate position number on the Bird twenty is a variety produced by a plate anomaly. Predictably, every sheet printed from this plate had the condition. The missing circle note is a variety produced by a plate anomaly which predictably made 25% of the notes potentially missing circle notes.

JWS

I know to some it may sound like "splitting hairs" but I think the comments above are most fitting, and help our hobby along...  

I just wanted to point out that when a coin is struck with a mis-match die, it is an error coin, and considered a variety.  
When a coin is punched with a die crack- they are varieties, but not errors.

So I guess this $10 falls more under variety, (replace die chip with missing circle).  
An error note would be one that is like a folded corner extra paper section, or a $2 on the front with a $5 on the back.

Variety yes.

Hey guys/gals...tell me if this note is a white circle/missing circle note. :-/

Yes it is.

Yep, looks that way to me.

I agree also. How hard are they to find in circulation?

To find them in circulation now... will be a needle in a haystack.  Since the new $10 notes with the hologram strip have been issued for some time now, the older version notes are being culled in for destruction.

I have a few more banknotes for your perusal.    I am trying to convince myself that thes are also missing circle notes.  The first is a FEJ note.



This is a FEL note. :-?



Sorry for plugging the forum with these picutres.  The last one is a FEM banknote.

Is there ever a possibility that the $20 banknotes would ever have a missing circle?

They are indeed all "missing circle" notes.  This variety only appears on Journey (non-upgraded) 10s.

Hi,
    I try to found missing circle in the FEH insert.Did someone have what I'm looking for?
                              Claude
                 cbeaulieu1@videotron.ca