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« on: June 27, 2005, 02:44:18 am »

I stopped by Vern's booth at Torex and he showed me a "rotatable radar"...  I don't remember the number but an example would be 6080806 which is 9080809 when rotated. This note is a radar and is also a radar when rotated but is not a rotator.
Now 6080809 is not a radar but is a rotator.

Rotatable radars would thus be any radar where the serial number contains only 0, 6, 8, or 9.

Can we think of another name which would be less confusing between rotatable radar and rotator?


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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2005, 02:51:04 am »

Oh boy... Now this will really muddy the waters. Some people can't quite wrap their head around the rotators idea. Do we really want to get into this? We'd have to classify #s like 6698008 too. Let's not. Leave them as radars and rotators.

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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2005, 04:21:21 am »

Brent just did the math... there are 128 rotator notes and 128 rotatable radars in each prefix of 10,000,000 notes.


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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2005, 04:24:01 am »

You guys have got me all confused.  ???

Now what do I call this one?

rotatable radar,
radar when rotated,
rotator,
or radar.
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2005, 04:27:19 am »

Solid.

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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2005, 11:02:41 am »

I like SWIMS.

Because, if you invert the word SWIMS, you still get SWIMS. Just like a rotator, or should I say rotator radar, or...

I like SWIMS.

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2005, 01:26:06 am »

8888888  I'd call that a TRANSILLUMINATABLE ROTATABLE RADAR because if you shine a very bright light through the note and look at the other side it is still a solid radar, right side up and up side down.


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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2005, 01:29:37 am »

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8888888  I'd call that a TRANSILLUMINATABLE ROTATABLE RADAR because if you shine a very bright light through the note and look at the other side it is still a solid radar, right side up and up side down.
Do they even HAVE doctors that can help you? ::)

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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2005, 02:28:45 am »

This is one more reason why I love this site.  You guys are great.  :)
All the suggestions are good ones, but "Solid Radar" is good enough for me.

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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2005, 04:02:02 am »

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This is one more reason why I love this site.  You guys are great.  :)
eyevet and I get along just swell, don't we, doc? ;D We poke fun at each other and annoy ourselves routinely, but everything is in good fun. We're also the source of several running jokes here at the forums, including the Mackie/Merritt signature set that is soon to be released! ;D

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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2005, 04:28:26 pm »

Shouldn't a Rotatable Radar only contain 8's or 0's if you have a number like 9000006, it is not a radar, but is rotatable.  Numbers like 9000009 should just be radars?  ???
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2005, 06:52:46 pm »

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Shouldn't a Rotatable Radar only contain 8's or 0's if you have a number like 9000006, it is not a radar, but is rotatable.  Numbers like 9000009 should just be radars?  ???

You are correct.

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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2005, 07:13:14 pm »

This is the crux of what is confusing:  

9000006  is not a radar it is a SWIMS or "rotator" as when it is inverted the number still reads 9000006.

9000009 is a radar, but it is not a rotator as when inverted it reads 6000006 which is a different number.  But it is a rotatable radar since the number is a radar when read right side up or upside down - not the same number but still a radar.

Transilluminatable radars can only have 0's and 8's as these are the only two numbers that can be rotated around its verticle axis and still be the same number. ::)

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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2005, 08:59:31 pm »

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This is the crux of what is confusing:
Transilluminatable radars can only have 0's and 8's as these are the only two numbers that can be rotated around its verticle axis and still be the same number. ::)
Oh will you please be quiet!? You're complicating the matter immensely, not just because you're introducing another weird classification, but also because you're using such a horrific word that takes some concentration even to pronounce! It's a rotator, or a radar, or a solid. Jeez. ::)

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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2005, 11:43:03 pm »

Then what is a note numbered 8000008 called? What about 8000000? I own a consecutive run of Bird $50s with numbers 8000000-8000009.
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2005, 01:57:35 am »

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Then what is a note numbered 8000008 called?
Two-digit radar. Also a rotator.
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What about 8000000?
Million numbered note.

I'm not sure what is so difficult about this stuff except for the nonsense eyevet is trying to confuse you with.

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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2005, 04:12:37 am »

While you are still at it, let me introduce you to a note : BEK 6898689.  The reason I bring this up is that if you look closer, the first 3 digits are rotating, so is the last 3 digits,  so is the middle 3 digits and so the middle 5 digits. Could we call it 5- in- one rotator or swims ? or something stranger than  Transilluminatable ?  (I know some call this a repeator.)
   By the way, Brent, could you figure out how many of such kind rotators there are in a prefix ?

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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2005, 04:23:06 am »

Well, eyevet is confusing me.

I thought million numbered notes are some kind of rotator, since they read 0000008 upsde down anyways, and etc.
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2005, 04:30:38 am »

Oh that!!!!  That's a Whirligig rotator!


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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2005, 04:36:12 am »

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By the way, Brent, could you figure out how many of such kind rotators there are in a prefix ?
16. It is left as an exercise to the reader to figure out why this is correct (without listing them).

And half of those notes are two-digit radars.

I would still call them rotators. Plain old rotators. I need to find a way to keep eyevet quiet. Maybe if I give him a Journey $2, he'll forget about this thread for a while. You know that kind of person... anything shiny and their mind is fixed on it for a week.
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2005, 04:55:52 am »

Hmmm

I calculated 15  such notes per prefix:  
4 x 2 x 1 x 2 x 1 x 1 x 1 = 16 - 1 = 15 ( to account for 0000000).

I think I read in previous posts that notes with serial number 0008000 don't exist since they appear on the same sheet with 0000000 which is discarded.  If that were the case then there would only be 14 of these rotators.



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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2005, 12:23:57 pm »

The definition of a rotator is a number that reads as the same number when viewed right side up or upside down.    8000000 is not the same number as 0000008 so it is not a rotator nor is it a radar.... 8000000 is a million number note so is desireable in that regard.  An example of a rotator is 6008009.


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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2005, 10:39:38 pm »

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8888888  I'd call that a TRANSILLUMINATABLE ROTATABLE RADAR because if you shine a very bright light through the note and look at the other side it is still a solid radar, right side up and up side down.


I think it would be MUCH simpler and infinitely less confusing if one were to call this a solid racemic non-chiral rotator radar note.

A chiral image is one that CANNOT be super-imposed onto its own reflection, while a racemic image CAN be super-imposed onto its own reflection.

I'm sure my esteemed colleagues will concur it is painfully obvious that solid radar notes comprised of all 1's or all 8's can only be called solid racemic non-chiral rotator radar notes.

For short, one could say "I have an s-racemic r1" or "s-racemic r8" [permission is graciously given to Charlton to incorporate this nomenclature into future editions of their catalogues, provided that due credit is given to venga50, the solid chiral non-racemic sometimes bulimic inventor of this classification system].

Hey, wait a minute....I have an s-racemic r0 note!! (a Specimen Birds $10 bill)  ::)

I can talk gibberish with the best of you, provided that I am first mildly-to-moderately "under the influence"!  ;)

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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2005, 11:19:02 pm »

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I calculated 15  such notes per prefix:  
4 x 2 x 1 x 2 x 1 x 1 x 1 = 16 - 1 = 15 ( to account for 0000000).

I think I read in previous posts that notes with serial number 0008000 don't exist since they appear on the same sheet with 0000000 which is discarded.  If that were the case then there would only be 14 of these rotators.
Yes, that is correct. Assuming 0000000 is destroyed, which it is, then there are 15. If we refer to BABN, then there are 14, since 0008000 is also removed. See my article for a note about this.

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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2005, 12:25:56 pm »

It SWIMS more and more into confusion! ;D ;D ;).  I'm getting an headache just to try to understand what all the preceding posts :  SWIMS, rotator, transilluminatable, racemic...AAAAAAAArghhhhh!!!!

We could introduce numerology:   1001001 x square root of your age x the Golden Ratio divided by pi plus the height of the Great Pyramid in meters squared...
;D ;D :D ;) ;D ;) :D ::)

Let's stick to radars notes please!!!
:) :) :)

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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2005, 03:46:41 pm »

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Let's stick to radars notes please!!!
Amen, Reverend!

OK, in all seriousness now, 95% of the above jibberish was all in the name of a joke.

Let's end the joking around with this post because I get the impression that a couple people are taking it seriously and are getting way too confused.

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