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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2009, 01:41:03 pm »

My guess is that the ELN 8830800/ELN 8312800 mismatch was the result of a spontaneous error, i.e., a mismatch created during the course of a print run.  I just can't see the print operator making a mistake like this in setting the numbers manually.  So I expect that more of these notes exist and are in circulation.

It would be interesting to know what the position numbers are for this particular error, especially given that it's the same prefix as the signle-digit mismatches you found.

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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2009, 09:33:40 pm »

 There is also one on ebay with the numbers   ELN8197740  /  ELN8097740.

Item number:   320428087295

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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2009, 10:31:02 pm »

There is also one on ebay with the numbers   ELN8197740  /  ELN8097740.

Item number:   320428087295

I contacted the seller and he provided the following:

ELN8197740  /  ELN8097740

Fpn 24
Bpn 24
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2009, 11:07:30 pm »

Interesting, the location of  ELN8097740 24/24,  is in position 23, ream 23. Not the same position as ELN9698312 and ELN9699195 but in the same column (3) and 4 reams away.

Continuous or intermittent?

 ikandiggit, you need to find more mis-matches..... ;D
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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2009, 05:23:12 pm »

I've gotten a response from rjms768 on his bill.

Serial #ELN 8830800/ELN 8312800

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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2009, 09:22:15 pm »

That is bizarre - multiple positions with faulty tumblers.  Makes me want to go through $20s like no tomorrow. So I will.


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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2009, 10:54:06 pm »

I go through 300-500 $20 bills a day. A few weeks ago there were about 30 or so ELN's in the piles. Lately, I see maybe 4 or 5. I scan through the other bills looking for radars, repeaters, etc. but haven't looked as closely for mismatches.

Guess I'll have to buckle down and look more closely at the other prefixes.
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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2009, 11:46:14 pm »

I go through 300-500 $20 bills a day.

And of course you're adding all these notes to the Serial Number Database, right? ;D We need all the data we can get, and $20s are a good denomination to do.

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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2009, 07:06:11 pm »

Well I'm the new owner of that ELN 8097740 error note, seller come from Quebec maybe there will be more ELN error around here since I'm in Quebec province too... I also watch all my 20$ hehe (crossing finger)



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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2009, 07:14:24 pm »

I have been "scouting" ELM and ELN notes from circulation to see if I can turn up any more of these errors.  You know, for research purposes  ;D .  Anyhow, I've been dreaming for years about finding any kind of mismatch error from circulation, and the dream is finally reality...

{http://www.give-a-buck.com/special/ell0549.jpg}

Notice how the serial number on the left is faint.  That's what drew my attention to in initially.  I don't recall seeing an ELL error before.  That makes three consecutive prefixes with errors found.  This must have been a chronic problem for CBN late in 2007!

Details:
0549983 on left
0549993 on right
position numbers 44/34  (E-4)
« Last Edit: October 23, 2009, 07:20:33 pm by mmars »

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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2009, 07:34:44 pm »

I have been "scouting" ELM and ELN notes from circulation to see if I can turn up any more of these errors.  You know, for research purposes  ;D .  Anyhow, I've been dreaming for years about finding any kind of mismatch error from circulation, and the dream is finally reality...


Excellent find! Good for you!

I have yet to see an ELL prefix in any of the notes I go through.
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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2009, 07:21:52 pm »

Thanks!

I wouldn't be too surprised if mismatched serials turn up in a few more prefixes, notable those leading up to the changeover at ELU.  Clearly, Canadian Bank Note is blasting out $20 notes, and if they are experiencing recurring problems with their machinery, those problems could be spread out over many prefixes.  With so many new $20s showing up in circulation, it's quite possible that certain regions of Canada will not see certain entire prefixes.  On the plus side, the residence time of the average $20 note in circulation is much longer than for $5 and $10 notes, so you'll see the ELL's sooner or later.

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« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2009, 08:37:22 pm »

Summary of $20 errors posted on this thread (updated March 3, 2010):

ELN 9798312 / 9698312  46/25 (X-3)
ELN 9799195 / 9699195  46/25 (X-3)

ELL 0549983 / 0549993  44/34 (E-4)
ELN 8825112 / 8307112  44/34 (E-4)
ELN 8826126 / 8308126  44/34 (E-4)
ELN 8830800 / 8312800  44/34 (E-4)
ELN 8831285 / 8313285  44/34 (E-4)

ELN 8197740 / 8097740  24/24 (E-3)
ELP 4596668 / 4496668  24/24 (E-3)
ELP 6396389 / 6296389  24/24 (E-3)
ELP 6398531 / 6298531  24/24 (E-3)

{http://www.give-a-buck.com/special/elp-error.jpg}

In the above note, the serial number on the right is correct, and the mismatched digit on the left rolled ahead by 1.  This seems to be a common problem for position E-3.

Clearly, these errors are widespread over several prefixes, and they seem to occur in certain positions, though the errors vary slightly (i.e., it's not always the second numeral on the left side that rolls ahead).

Keep finding and reporting them, folks!
« Last Edit: June 04, 2010, 01:53:57 pm by mmars »

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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2009, 07:57:07 am »

 Another mismatched serial number error on ebay with six numbers mismatched.

Item #    110470728551

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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2009, 03:37:30 pm »

Another mismatched serial number error on ebay with six numbers mismatched.

Item #    110470728551

Wow!
 

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